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    coddled--treated indulgently

    on a silver platter-- handed to them without the necessary work or effort

    You can research all you want, but I watch parents do it every single day.
    Are you a teacher or administrator?

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    coddled--treated indulgently
    I'm not sure what kinda schools you've seen, but generally Principals don't have the money or time to 'cuddle students'... there are BIPs that everyone agrees to follow, but cuddling isn't one of the procedures..

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    nbadan: what research?
    Years of research....and many more too go..

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    correction.....

    a 20 year vet will make just less than $8k more per year than a starting teacher:

    http://www.nisd.net/hr/compensation/...WEB%202009.htm
    Those are pretty good wage scales for the lowest common denominator of each education level, especially since they work just less than 9 months a years. Bottom on the scale is $30+ per hour.

    Maybe the pay scale should be by merit and reviews instead of education level and time in the field.

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    Those are pretty good wage scales for the lowest common denominator of each education level, especially since they work just less than 9 months a years. Bottom on the scale is $30+ per hour.

    Maybe the pay scale should be by merit and reviews instead of education level and time in the field.
    Every teacher gets reviewed twice a year....education is the only field where you must re-apply for your job every year...

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    The standard of the National Honor Society is that a student must have an A average. It used to be that all schools interpreted this to mean that averaging the grades on the student's report card, it equaled an average higher than 90 or whatever the standard for an A was at that school. Tdoay, some schools do not calculate the average in that manner so that more kids can "qualify." They use their GPA, to which schools add more and more points all the time to raise the student's average. For example, if you get an 85 it used to count as an 85 when a school averaged your grades to see if you met the standard for NHS. Now, some schools add those points- some as many as 10 points for an honors class- so that they count a 95 in calculating your average for NHS. It used to be that the GPA was only for class ranking and not to determine if a person qualifies for NHS or not.
    that's not the same thing as giving every kid a participation trophy just for playing the game.

    If schools are raising kids averages on the whole, then it's definitely not anything more than to show off how good the school is performing.

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    coddled--treated indulgently

    on a silver platter-- handed to them without the necessary work or effort

    You can research all you want, but I watch parents do it every single day.
    I don't see it from what my wife tells me, but then again, she works in a poorer school district. I would expect the silver platter treatment in a rich district or especially a private school.

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    Those are pretty good wage scales for the lowest common denominator of each education level, especially since they work just less than 9 months a years. Bottom on the scale is $30+ per hour.
    It's a very good starting salary for a bachelor's degree. It's just not much more than starting pay even if you are a 20 year vet.

    Maybe the pay scale should be by merit and reviews instead of education level and time in the field.
    Obama would agree.

    I would agree to an extent, but based on the current pay scale, the reward for doing a great job would still be minimal.

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    It's a very good starting salary for a bachelor's degree. It's just not much more than starting pay even if you are a 20 year vet
    ..and that right there is the real issue....starting pay is good, but as teachers get better they need to be payed more, especially in poorer districts because 1.) they are better teachers and in greater demand 2.) They have to deal with many more personal issues with students than in more affluent districts 3.) they have to create a curriculum that works for their schools...

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    Obama would agree.

    I would agree to an extent, but based on the current pay scale, the reward for doing a great job would still be minimal.
    Exactly. If starting pay in $43K then average pay should go up $2-3K per year until a teacher tops out at about $70K...also, there needs to be long-term health-care for teachers after they retire...this is also why many good teachers leave the field....they need to work at least 5 years outside of education to re-qualify for Social Security..

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    Every district has a budget and every district knows exactly how much money they spend in property taxes...
    That's fine, but is that supposed to be the answer to my question?

    In the U.S., good educators are a finite source...it takes a teacher 5 - 10 years to become good teachers...
    I think you don't know the meaning of "finite resource". What's exactly the threshold that limits good education providers in the US? I'm not even sure if demographic issues apply, it's always possible to import them.

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    Exactly. If starting pay in $43K then average pay should go up $2-3K per year until a teacher tops out at about $70K...also, there needs to be long-term health-care for teachers after they retire...this is also why many good teachers leave the field....they need to work at least 5 years outside of education to re-qualify for Social Security..
    In Texas, teachers contribute to a retirement pension fund...so they're not totally unfunded in retirement.

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    In Texas, teachers contribute to a retirement pension fund...so they're not totally unfunded in retirement.
    .....yes, but there is no health-care...

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    That's fine, but is that supposed to be the answer to my question?
    Yes, they are public record...

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    I think you don't know the meaning of "finite resource". What's exactly the threshold that limits good education providers in the US? I'm not even sure if demographic issues apply, it's always possible to import them.
    you seriously want to put foreign teachers in with American students


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    you seriously want to put foreign teachers in with American students

    We're already doing it, dan.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n1689748.shtml

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    .....yes, but there is no health-care...
    true dat. I'm not sure if they would still qualify for medicare or not.

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    Yes, they are public record...
    Okay, this was my question:

    Do you know exactly which % of the entire government spending in education is financed with property taxes?


    This was your answer:

    Every district has a budget and every district knows exactly how much money they spend in property taxes...


    What am I missing here?

    you seriously want to put foreign teachers in with American students

    Well, it's not like that doesn't happen already, but that was not the point, you probably misread. I was just saying that the only way I could see good education providers being a finite resource would be by implying a demographic limitation - something that would make no sense, as you understand - but that even that argument would be faulty.

    I sincerely don't see how good education can be seen as a finite resource. Do you care to explain what is the limit?

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    I don't know if they've actually done it, and the article doesn't say, but just the legal ramifications for putting a recent immigrant in with school kids have got to be tremendous...what if said immigrant molest kids and flees back to Malaysia? Seriously?

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    true dat. I'm not sure if they would still qualify for medicare or not.
    That's why they work 5 years out of teaching....5 very productive years...

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    That's why they work 5 years out of teaching....5 very productive years...
    Ahhh...ok then. You'd think I would know the answer to that. I taught for 10 years.

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    Do you know exactly which % of the entire government spending in education is financed with property taxes?

    This was your answer:

    Every district has a budget and every district knows exactly how much money they spend in property taxes.
    My bad...

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    I don't know if they've actually done it, and the article doesn't say, but just the legal ramifications for putting a recent immigrant in with school kids have got to be tremendous...what if said immigrant molest kids and flees back to Malaysia? Seriously?
    Google is your friend. There's a ton of links chock full of examples. I just pulled down a quick one. I remember when Dallas ISD was recruiting teachers from Mexico to teach in their ESL program. It wasn't that long ago.

    I haven't a clue as to how an immigrant teacher is held responsible for their actions....pretty much the same as a regular immigrant I guess.

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    Google is your friend. There's a ton of links chock full of examples. I just pulled down a quick one. I remember when Dallas ISD was recruiting teachers from Mexico to teach in their ESL program. It wasn't that long ago.
    Well I can tell you that school districts in Houston and Dallas are in high need, so even if you brought some immigrants in, and those numbers would be very minimal for many reasons, it wouldn't make a dent in teacher pay in TX or the need for more experienced teachers....

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    Well I can tell you that school districts in Houston and Dallas are in high need, so even if you brought some immigrants in, and those numbers would be very minimal for many reasons, it wouldn't make a dent in teacher pay in TX or the need for more experienced teachers....
    Agreed....

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