The Ultimate Fighter: Heavyweights Finale Free on e 12/5/09

[oligarchy]

In one of the pre-fight vids, Houston admitted that the fight wasn't going to be a a brawl. It would be an MMA fight and he was gonna make Kimbo be an MMA fighter. But it was Kimbo showing more MMA skills and Houston basically trying to chop his legs down. A man can't walk, he can't fight, right?

It was a good strategy and I can't blame Houston for not wanting to get dropped from the UFC after losing by vicious KTFO in the 1st round.Although a decision loss, where him getting rocked was the main attraction, doesn't look so good either. I HAVE thought about the possibility of certain people telling Houston to not make a mockery out of Kimbo and keep the fight close enough for him to win but also show Kimbo in a good light. The only problem was the suplex, Houston survived most likely cuz he knew a loss where he hardly looked exciting would get him cut from the roster.

At least you have a clue.

I also find it funny that people believe it's impossible for UFC to do the same thing that EliteXC did. EliteXC didn't tell them to drop the fight, but to just keep it standing. So, UFC picks a guy who they know has ZERO ground game.

The problem is, it was a one fight contract. So, it would behoove him to make the best of it, not make it a joke, unless it was OKAY for him to fight that way. With a one fight contract now, with that constraint, would it be more likely for them to say "Hey, we aren't saying lose the fight, but just don't win it in the first minute or the first round?" I believe that situation is highly probable.

I don't think the end result was fixed, but I do believe something may have been asked or even intimated.

And YES, abso inglutely yes, Kimbo is HORRIBLE.

[dallaskd]

Nobody said World beater i said Houston isn't one.. What are you talking about??

And because Kimbo had a decent fight against a decent fighter that means it was fixed.

Fixed by who might i ask? The UFC.. Not in a million years would Dana and the Fert as take that risk.. No chance..

The reason Houston looked like from what i saw was he was nervous as all about losing to Kimbo. He wanted to play it safe, then try to get him late. He did exchange with him more in the 3rd Round. Kimbo fought decent, just give him credit and move on.. It's no big deal that he won

Houston didnt do it for Dana. He did it for his buddies in Vegas.

[dbreiden83080]

you know the opinions in here are starting to resemble those you would see on Sherdog...

[djohn14]

you know the opinions in here are starting to resemble those you would see on Sherdog...

Ha for real!

[oligarchy]

you know the opinions in here are starting to resemble those you would see on Sherdog...

..and what opinions are those? That some people believe that the fight may not have been on the up and up? If you believe that people stating that "impossible" opinion makes this forum seem like Sherdog, then I think you are complete and utter moron. Just because people don't believe that the UFC is the wholy grail of fighting, and is bound by some moral compass, which would never do such a thing, doesn't make the opinion not valid. Guess what? It's just NOT your opinion. It sure as doesn't make it wrong.

The funny thing is. You should find this thing called the Internet. It's pretty sweet actually, because you find all this other information and people talking about the fight. And, HOLY , guess what? That idea that the fight may not been 100% pure, unadulterated fighting is a pretty popular sentiment among fight fans. So, I think it's YOUR comments and opinions that are those found on Sherdog forums. You know, the posts of people blatantly disregarding what other people, even a consensus of people, believe to be true, and pretend that their stance is the end-all, be-all. I find it amusing that if people don't agree with your posts, they are suddenly "Sherdoggers."

[Soul_Patch]

Jon Jones is a freak. That dude is all arms and legs. I think he has a huge fighting career in front of him. I know he has a fought a few times (impressive) already, but ive missed him. I am glad i got to see him on this card. Sucks about what happened, but he showed his class despite. Look forward to seeing him take on some top compe ion.

[Evan]

cmon y'all...

no need for that

[dallaskd]

cmon y'all...

no need for that

you know the opinions in here are starting to resemble those you would see on Sherdog...

I didnt see anything wrong with anything said. If your talking about the possibility of a fight being fixed, do I think it happened? no. But I wouldnt put it past the possibility. MLB, NBA, NFL, to the olympics have all been caught in scandals with betting on games, shaving points, to straight throwing games. So would I put it past Houston Alexander or even the UFC, whos home is in vegas to ever fix a fight? not at all. You are ing ignorant if you think mma is a holy sport where it couldnt ever be involved in any kind of scandal. Again, I personally dont think there was one. But with a sport whos refs and judges already have had su ious behavior in the past, to say that there is no way it happened is a big statement.

If that is not what your talking about then im not sure what you are referring to. No one here trolls. Just people giving their opinion. Im not sure why we try to candy coat this forum when the rest of spurstalk is notorious for personal attacks and trolling. This thread is no where near sherdog status. The internet is not a kind place. If we can have threads about 9-11 conspiracies why cant we have one about a fight..

[Evan]

Im not sure why we try to candy coat this forum when the rest of spurstalk is notorious for personal attacks and trolling..

isn't nice having a little small slice of the internet free from that?

maybe its just me.

[djohn14]

I have some openions...but Id rather just talk facts...Jon Jones is a badass...

[Stringer_Bell]

you know the opinions in here are starting to resemble those you would see on Sherdog...

The few times I've read those forums, whenever someone says something funny or witty, everyone s on it because they didn't think of it first. The people IN HERE at least have some personality and THAT place is full of rats.

Yes, Jones is a bad man. Any ideas for a next opponent? Rich Franklin maybe? Bad news for Franklin, I say!

[dbreiden83080]

..and what opinions are those? That some people believe that the fight may not have been on the up and up? If you believe that people stating that "impossible" opinion makes this forum seem like Sherdog, then I think you are complete and utter moron. Just because people don't believe that the UFC is the wholy grail of fighting, and is bound by some moral compass, which would never do such a thing, doesn't make the opinion not valid. Guess what? It's just NOT your opinion. It sure as doesn't make it wrong.

The funny thing is. You should find this thing called the Internet. It's pretty sweet actually, because you find all this other information and people talking about the fight. And, HOLY , guess what? That idea that the fight may not been 100% pure, unadulterated fighting is a pretty popular sentiment among fight fans. So, I think it's YOUR comments and opinions that are those found on Sherdog forums. You know, the posts of people blatantly disregarding what other people, even a consensus of people, believe to be true, and pretend that their stance is the end-all, be-all. I find it amusing that if people don't agree with your posts, they are suddenly "Sherdoggers."

You got all this out of one comment i made.. No wonder you and Leonard hate eachother..

[dbreiden83080]

isn't nice having a little small slice of the internet free from that?

maybe its just me.

It's gotten much more nasty in here of late..

probably time for a break..

[oligarchy]

You got all this out of one comment i made.. No wonder you and Leonard hate eachother..

explain the "opinions" in this thread that are so "sherdog"

[dallaskd]

wow this card got 5.2 million viewers..

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/12/8...ws-5-2-million

[dallaskd]

12-to-6 rule explained..


Following the Jon Jones disqualification against Matt Hamill at The Ultimate Fighter 10 Finale for illegal elbow strikes, the illegal elbow rule has drawn a lot of attention.


The Unified Rules used by Nevada lists 31 fouls. “Striking downward using the point of the elbow” is listed as number 10, but doesn’t mean exactly what it says.


Taken from the Nevada State Athletic Commission website, here’s the official wording of the rule.


“NAC 467.7962 Acts cons uting fouls. (NRS 467.030)


10. Striking downward using the point of the elbow. All elbow strikes are legal except for an elbow that is thrown in a downward trajectory (hand traveling from 12 o’clock to 6 o’clock). Any elbow thrown with an arc is a legal elbow. The point of the elbow may be used as striking instrument as well as the forearm or the tricep area of the arm.”


In a February 2006 interview with MMAWeekly Radio, legendary referee “Big” John McCarthy explained why the rule was made and the back history that led to it’s initiation.


“What it was, was when the Unified Rules were put together they took all the organizations. You had the UFC, Pride. You had the IFC. You had Hook-N-Shoot at the time. There were various organizations that all met together in New Jersey. Larry Hazzard is the one that put it together so he could clarify his rules. Marc Ratner was on a phone line for it, and they ended up having everyone sit there and try to come together with what they could be happy with,” explained McCarthy.


“One of the things that happed was there was an IFC show that happened before that meeting occurred. There were a couple of fights, and because New Jersey wasn’t comfortable with Mixed Martial Arts at the time, there were a couple of fights that went on to change things as far as what they were going to permit and not permit,” added McCarthy.


“You have all these different organizations, and you have all these people with what they want to be able to do, so it’s tough to get people to agree on things. Finally, one of the things that was brought up is in one of the fights a fighter took another guy’s back and tried to sink in a choke. He couldn’t sink in the choke, so he started taking his hand and bringing it up and elbowing to the back of the guy’s head and neck.


“The doctor from New Jersey had a conniption about it. He said I will never ever pass something that allows that type of strike. That could be life threatening, and he started going into his thing, and so the one elbow they took out was that elbow, that type of position. The way that they wrote it up, you could interpret it a ton of ways, but the true position they were talking about was the hand coming up to twelve o’clock to six o’clock.”


http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/...10178&zoneid=1

[djohn14]

Yes, Jones is a bad man. Any ideas for a next opponent? Rich Franklin maybe? Bad news for Franklin, I say!

Id love to see that and I think he'd do just fine. Im not saying he'd win, but I think he would hold his own and then some. I doubt they want to push him that much yet...probably give him a few more mid card fighters before someone of that nature.

[dallaskd]

The UFC needs Kimbo. The numbers dont lie. Can anyone else not understand how he learned nothing from his time with Bas? oh and stfu to everyone out there hating on the guy. He has 5 professional fights and a whole season of TUF. He had never even trained in MMA until his mid 30's. Im not sure why people expect him to do something. What do you want a 35 old man who has never trained cardio since high school football to do? He is at ATT. If he will work hard, he can be a decent HW. I just dont think he needs to be in the UFC right now. More suited for KOTC or even strikeforce.

[The TroutBum]

Uh no.. This isn't WWE

Right...



Give it time, my friend, it soon WILL be the WWE.

[Evan]

Right...



Give it time, my friend, it soon WILL be the WWE.

every sport has had athletes that have done that in some form or another. Brock was a NCAA champion far before he did WWE. Can't blame a guy for doing whatever it takes to make as much money as possible. What other options did he have? Change tires somewhere?

[ATRAIN]

every sport has had athletes that have done that in some form or another. Brock was a NCAA champion far before he did WWE. Can't blame a guy for doing whatever it takes to make as much money as possible. What other options did he have? Change tires somewhere?

He made the wise choice cause there wasnt an outlet for him. It made him rich.

[desflood]

Can't blame a guy for doing whatever it takes to make as much money as possible. What other options did he have? Change tires somewhere?

[anakha]

every sport has had athletes that have done that in some form or another. Brock was a NCAA champion far before he did WWE. Can't blame a guy for doing whatever it takes to make as much money as possible. What other options did he have? Change tires somewhere?

Don't bother with the logic. You are talking to the guy who was happy Brock got sick, you know.

[The TroutBum]

Don't bother with the logic. You are talking to the guy who was happy Brock got sick, you know.

Hey, I took back what I said -- I was wrong, admittedly so. But you can't tell me that the UFC100 card didn't SCARE the out of you... because it did me. He's WWE through and through, and before you know it, the $$$ will win out and the integrity of the sport will be shot. Brock is the catalyst.

[dbreiden83080]

Hey, I took back what I said -- I was wrong, admittedly so. But you can't tell me that the UFC100 card didn't SCARE the out of you... because it did me. He's WWE through and through, and before you know it, the $$$ will win out and the integrity of the sport will be shot. Brock is the catalyst.

IT didn't scare me at all. Brock is not the first guy to talk a ton of after a fight and Mir has been a total ass leading up to his fight with Kongo tonight, calling him every name in the book so he's a hypocrit as far as i am concerned.. Plus Brock got read the riot act in the back by Dana, he will not be that over the top again after a fight but at the same time, the UFC also did not bring him in to act like everybody else. They are sure not paying him like everybody else