This is the best speech on gay marriage

[rjv]

Then that would be a surefire reason for civil unions, and conventional marriage be damned.

one would think but the insurance companies would like to reduce their obligations to pay benefits wherever possible

[MiamiHeat]

why do you look at gays differently than most sane people do?

Hey

The US Military still classifies sexuality as a mental disorder

up until all of this politically correct nonsense, so did modern psychiatry.


There is nothing sane about being an exclusive sexual.

[rjv]

Hey

The US Military still classifies sexuality as a mental disorder

up until all of this politically correct nonsense, so did modern psychiatry.


There is nothing sane about being an exclusive sexual.

make up your mind. if it is a mental disorder then it is physiologically based. is it a choice or is it natural?

[spursncowboys]

Also the studies that a large percent of molested children growing up and choosing to have sexual relationships goes against the logic and statistics of having a gay gene.

[baseline bum]

mogrovejo's right. The best solution would be to have the state quit endorsing marriage period. Then the churches could have it and have the rights to legally promote or discriminate as they see fit. The government has no business pushing social agendas, whether it's in marriage, in sin taxes on sodas, beer, tobacco, etc., our ridiculous war on drugs, propping churches by not taxing them, and so on.

[rjv]

Also the studies that a large percent of molested children growing up and choosing to have sexual relationships goes against the logic and statistics of having a gay gene.

links? analysis?

one thing to clear up here is that there is no single clear cut definition for what a sexual is. would one act of sexuality cons ute sexuality? would all deviant acts be lumped together?

and gene expression is not a simple matter as well. one can sometimes have a trait that goes expressed or not depending on environmental influences.

and you have mentioned nothing at all about any brain mapping studies currently in progress.

[rjv]

mogrovejo's right. The best solution would be to have the state quit endorsing marriage period. Then the churches could have it and have the rights to legally promote or discriminate as they see fit. The government has no business pushing social agendas, whether it's in marriage, in sin taxes on sodas, beer, tobacco, etc., our ridiculous war on drugs, propping churches by not taxing them, and so on.

but the government always needs to find a way to pay for the infrastructure.

[baseline bum]

why do gays always try and create a similarity with racism? Maybe if you made your discussion in it's own right, people might take it more serious. race changes nothing from one man and one woman. the definition stays the same.

hyprocrite

Your use of discrimination can be used against all our rules and laws. Is laws against pedophilia disriminating? Is making laws against ting on the sidewalk discriminating? Should our society allow public drug usage so as not to be discriminate?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Also the studies that a large percent of molested children growing up and choosing to have sexual relationships goes against the logic and statistics of having a gay gene.

so what about the non molested children who turn out to be gay? would they have the gay gene?

[Spawn]

Why? If it is only to be fair, then what is fair for over 90% of marriages to be denied? Also our society should promote a healthy marriage, because that benefits everyone.

They can still marry each other in a spiritual sense in their church. All the social benefits that marriage supposedly brings will still be there, just the government won't provide any benefits for such a union. Surely you don't think that it is the government that is keeping the ins ution of marriage afloat right?

[Blake]

Also the studies that a large percent of molested children growing up and choosing to have sexual relationships goes against the logic and statistics of having a gay gene.

ugh

I hate unsourced posts like this

[Blake]

Also our society should promote a healthy marriage, because that benefits everyone.

what studies have you seen show that a healthy marriage benefits everyone?

[George Gervin's Afro]

what studies have you seen show that a healthy marriage benefits everyone?

he still hasn't defined what a healthy marriage is. I guess we could assume that healthy means heterosexual marriages.

[AussieFanKurt]

Hey

The US Military still classifies sexuality as a mental disorder

up until all of this politically correct nonsense, so did modern psychiatry.


There is nothing sane about being an exclusive sexual.

How would you know? Do you have great knowledge on how the mind and body works? Are you a psychologist?
Unless you have great knowledge on something, you can't call being sexual insane. Thats like me saying marijuana is disgusting and vile. I really wouldnt know as I have tried it yet but thats the similar irrational, bigotry point you make.

and whats wrong with political correctness?

[spursncowboys]

what studies have you seen show that a healthy marriage benefits everyone?

the "study" of default living you no talent assclown. In a situation where over 90% living the situation, working towards living the situation, or a product of the situation- you should make a case for why our society advances.

[rjv]

the "study" of default living you no talent assclown. In a situation where over 90% living the situation, working towards living the situation, or a product of the situation- you should make a case for why our society advances.

so divorce rates our domestic violence or child abuse or poverty do not add inot this "equation".

wow. i wish all "math" could handpick its variables.

[spursncowboys]

ugh

I hate unsourced posts like this

It was a vague enough comment to not need to be absolute. I learned it in my crime in America class but cannot find a good stat to study for it. After two pages from google's webpages filled with liberal op-eds i could not care less if you believe or don't.

[spursncowboys]

so divorce rates our domestic violence or child abuse or poverty do not add inot this "equation".

wow. i wish all "math" could handpick its variables.

what the are you talking about? You are supposing that all those variables are the reason why our society has advanced throughout the ages? Dumbass. Way to get on a soapbox and stay on topic.

[rjv]

It was a vague enough comment to not need to be absolute. I learned it in my crime in America class but cannot find a good stat to study for it. After two pages from google's webpages filled with liberal op-eds i could not care less if you believe or don't.

wow. no empirical data to back up his BS. what a shock.

[spursncowboys]

wow. no empirical data to back up his BS. what a shock.

empirical data. Isn't that a bad word for you libs? Why don't you use some empirical data for global warming, welfare, keynsian economics, tax hikes, patents, healthcare, minimum wage, etc...
Sorry, don't know your stand on all these issues so just discard opinions you don't hold with closed eyes and ears.

[rjv]

what the are you talking about? You are supposing that all those variables are the reason why our society has advanced throughout the ages? Dumbass. Way to get on a soapbox and stay on topic.

the point was that half of all marriages in america fail. if the advancement of our society was dependent upon healthy marriages, as defined by your limited parameters, then we would have significantly less success to show for your "equation".

as for soapboxes, i'm not the one who wasted so much bandwidth preaching conservative old testament wrath to the rest of the forum.

[dallaskd]

i call bull on a gay gene. people choose to be gay..

[spursncowboys]

the point was that half of all marriages in america fail. if the advancement of our society was dependent upon healthy marriages, as defined by your limited parameters, then we would have significantly less success to show for your "equation".

as for soapboxes, i'm not the one who wasted so much bandwidth preaching conservative old testament wrath to the rest of the forum.

What new behaviors in our society increase while marriages decline?

[rjv]

empirical data. Isn't that a bad word for you libs? Why don't you use some empirical data for global warming, welfare, keynsian economics, tax hikes, patents, healthcare, minimum wage, etc...
Sorry, don't know your stand on all these issues so just discard opinions you don't hold with closed eyes and ears.

you have missed the irony of your own commentary. i have never posted anything at all about any of the above subjects except on healthcare and on that subject i am opposed to the obama plan. if you want to regard economics as a hard science then that is on you.

you are the one coming in here with half-baked arguments about the quan ative benefits of "healthy"marriages in our society but can't show any numbers at all.

then there is your demonstration of your completely off base genetics and human behavior "theories".

go out in the pragmatic and verifiable world with these sort of "theories" and see how far you go.

you are the one here making categorical statements and when pressed to offer something other than the bible or opinion you just go to the old "abuse" card as if anyone here really cares or is offended by any of your mediocre and cliched insults. the only thing this succeeds in is verifying the obvious: that you are not capable of any real argument on most subjects demanding any real and demonstrable knowledge.

[rjv]

What new behaviors in our society increase while marriages decline?

what parameters are you setting for your "study" ? what is a "healthy" marriage? one that does not end in divorce? if that is the case compare the behavioral issues of our times and compare them to those times where there were supposedly more "healthy" marriages. then rule out all other factors as contributing variables. rule out poverty, or population size, or diet, or increased exposure to violence. if you can filter out all this in a well stated argument then you can start to get at something other than just an opinion that healthy marriages are keeping our society from decay.

also-what is a new behavior ? are you suddenly a proponent of evolution?