This is the best speech on gay marriage

[spursncowboys]

the point was that half of all marriages in america fail. if the advancement of our society was dependent upon healthy marriages, as defined by your limited parameters, then we would have significantly less success to show for your "equation".

as for soapboxes, i'm not the one who wasted so much bandwidth preaching conservative old testament wrath to the rest of the forum.

I am sorry. I assumed that people who were in sexual marriages were not having sexual intercourse with people of the opposite sex. Therefore without married couples procreating I cannot understand how offspring come about. Without new population in a society it would be fair to assume that the society will not advance.

[spursncowboys]

what parameters are you setting for your "study" ? what is a "healthy" marriage? one that does not end in divorce? if that is the case compare the behavioral issues of our times and compare them to those times where there were supposedly more "healthy" marriages. then rule out all other factors as contributing variables. rule out poverty, or population size, or diet, or increased exposure to violence. if you can filter out all this in a well stated argument then you can start to get at something other than just an opinion that healthy marriages are keeping our society from decay.

also-what is a new behavior ? are you suddenly a proponent of evolution?

What argument do I need. The fact is our society has advanced from Judeo-Christian values. You on the other hand are trying to remove all these values, even the basic family structure ones. Without any evidence that this has ever worked in the history of this world, you are assuming that it will. Make as much variables as you want to blame for the decaying of our society. It could all be traced to the breakdown of our beliefs in what is acceptable and what is a family.
Do you have any empirical data?

[ElNono]

I am sorry. I assumed that people who were in sexual marriages were not having sexual intercourse with people of the opposite sex. Therefore without married couples procreating I cannot understand how offspring come about. Without new population in a society it would be fair to assume that the society will not advance.

You mean heterosexual couples that cannot procreate are somehow unhealthy marriages? You don't think that the people in those unions cannot help advance society?

Wow... I always knew you were a bigot, but now you're being flat out ignorant.

[MiamiHeat]

You mean heterosexual couples that cannot procreate are somehow unhealthy marriages? You don't think that the people in those unions cannot help advance society?

Wow... I always knew you were a bigot, but now you're being flat out ignorant.

sexual lifestyle is a health hazard, discouraged by the medical profession.

They have the highest rates of STD's, and internal injuries, and all sorts of other problems.

They create an disgusting union that is not a traditional family. Man, woman, and child. Not man man, or woman woman.

I would say you are the ignorant one.

You are a victim of modern political correctness. You think you are special, you think you are fighting 'the good fight' to do something 'good' and 'change the world'... however there is a whole generation of misguided 'world change' idealists, just like the hippies.

You are wrong and you are young.

[MiamiHeat]

lastly, most of you eat right from the feedbag when it comes to your 'view' on gays.

You think of the gay guy from Will and Grace, or others like him.

In case you didn't know, most gay people are not like that. Some are like that, but most are effeminate, some even want sex changes because they hate themselves. Some are loud and obnoxious type of gay, with their pink ribbons and pink hair.

Obvious signs of emotional or mental health problems, self confidence problems, where they overcompensate to project a 'confident' and 'im different' feeling because of their insecurities and confusion.

and the gay population is about 1% of the USA. We got more important to worry about.

[baseline bum]

sexual lifestyle is a health hazard, discouraged by the medical profession.

They have the highest rates of STD's, and internal injuries, and all sorts of other problems.

So no marriage for couples who like anal?

[MiamiHeat]

So no marriage for couples who like anal?

You already know that your logic is flawed because woman also have vaginas, so no point to try and point it out. You were trying too hard and failed.

[spursncowboys]

You mean heterosexual couples that cannot procreate are somehow unhealthy marriages? You don't think that the people in those unions cannot help advance society?

Wow... I always knew you were a bigot, but now you're being flat out ignorant.

There it is.

[TheProfessor]

lastly, most of you eat right from the feedbag when it comes to your 'view' on gays.

You think of the gay guy from Will and Grace, or others like him.

In case you didn't know, most gay people are not like that. Some are like that, but most are effeminate, some even want sex changes because they hate themselves. Some are loud and obnoxious type of gay, with their pink ribbons and pink hair.

Obvious signs of emotional or mental health problems, self confidence problems, where they overcompensate to project a 'confident' and 'im different' feeling because of their insecurities and confusion.

and the gay population is about 1% of the USA. We got more important to worry about.

I know plenty of gay people, male and female. And in their stead I say, " you, you bigot."

[baseline bum]

You already know that your logic is flawed because woman also have vaginas, so no point to try and point it out. You were trying too hard and failed.

So where are you going with that point then? Anal sex is just as destructive and dangerous whether it's a man or a woman getting it.

[MiamiHeat]

To Professor:

I say, " you, you abomination and disgusting perversion of humanity"

Learn to accept who you were born as. You were born a MAN. Learn how to act like one. Stop ing and deal with it, got.

[MiamiHeat]

"waaah, my emotions hurt!!! sniff sniff, i was born a man... but i feel i should be a woman.... i am so girly *tee hee* "

"I don't like what I got in life, waaaah..... may I please be given a vagina? I don't want me penis!"

ing confused, self-loathing, weak minded individuals.

[TheProfessor]

I say, " you, you abomination and disgusting perversion of humanity"

What? You're not going to lecture us on how gay people aren't like the guy from Will and Grace?

Seriously, you've got issues. Is someone who thinks of sexuals as abominations seriously going to lecture me when it's patently obvious he's never known an actual gay person? You sit in judgment and make crass simplifications that simply aren't true, because you don't know what you're talking about and you don't look at sexuals as human beings.

[Blake]

Also our society should promote a healthy marriage, because that benefits everyone.

what the are you talking about? You are supposing that all those variables are the reason why our society has advanced throughout the ages?

are you supposing that healthy marriages are the reason why our society has advanced through the ages?

[MiamiHeat]

What? You're not going to lecture us on how gay couples should be allowed to re-define marriage?

Seriously, you've got issues. Is someone who thinks of people who don't agree with re-defining marriage as "bigots" seriously going to lecture me when it's patently obvious he's never been able to respect opinions? You sit in judgment and make crass simplifications that simply aren't true, because you don't know what you're talking about.

[Blake]

It was a vague enough comment to not need to be absolute. I learned it in my crime in America class but cannot find a good stat to study for it. After two pages from google's webpages filled with liberal op-eds i could not care less if you believe or don't.

it was an absolute enough comment that should be sourced if you want to have any bit of credibility.

Obviously you could not care less if you have no internet cred.

[TheProfessor]

What? You're not going to lecture us on how gay couples should be allowed to re-define marriage?

Seriously, you've got issues. Is someone who thinks of people who don't agree with re-defining marriage as "bigots" seriously going to lecture me when it's patently obvious he's never been able to respect opinions? You sit in judgment and make crass simplifications that simply aren't true, because you don't know what you're talking about.

You're not a bigot because of your stance on marriage. You're a bigot because of how you view human beings who have never set out to harm you or anyone else. You don't see them as people.

[Blake]

I am sorry. I assumed that people who were in sexual marriages were not having sexual intercourse with people of the opposite sex. Therefore without married couples procreating I cannot understand how offspring come about. Without new population in a society it would be fair to assume that the society will not advance.

what year do you live in?

[Blake]

"waaah, my emotions hurt!!! sniff sniff, i was born a man... but i feel i should be a woman.... i am so girly *tee hee* "

"I don't like what I got in life, waaaah..... may I please be given a vagina? I don't want me penis!"

ing confused, self-loathing, weak minded individuals.

I find this to be

[Blake]

Make as much variables as you want to blame for the decaying of our society. It could all be traced to the breakdown of our beliefs in what is acceptable and what is a family.
Do you have any empirical data?

what part of our society is decaying and how exactly can it all be traced to the breakdown of our beliefs in what is acceptable and what is a family?

[spursncowboys]

it was an absolute enough comment that should be sourced if you want to have any bit of credibility.

Obviously you could not care less if you have no internet cred.

Me
Also the studies that a large percent of molested children growing up and choosing to have sexual relationships...

THere is nothing absolute with that post. It stands alone. I stand by it. If I do anything for internet cred, I would hope my family to take me out of my misery. Living my life in the hopes that you believe me is not a goal. Reading some of your nonsensical crap makes me feel that you need to focus more inwardly. Take your own advice.

[MiamiHeat]

You're not a bigot because of your stance on marriage. You're a bigot because of how you view human beings who have never set out to harm you or anyone else. You don't see them as people.

I would never persecute, harm, or discriminate against sexuals. Never.

I won't support anything that does that.

Just because I disapprove of them and think they are confused, perverted human beings, doesn't mean I don't care for them as human beings and would see them harm. I would help them, and if I saw a sexual being hurt, I would be on the sexual's side.



But my views don't change. and I don't want marriage re-defined and muddied up with sexuals.


Give them their own ins ution. Gay couples are a new and strange thing to be recognized now to the USA, so accordingly, give them a new union name, with all of the same rights.


I'd be happy with that, the end.

If they aren't happy, too ing bad. My happiness matters too. and they should only be worried about being with their couple and afforded all of the financial/legal incentives.

If they are worried about what I think of them, then this isn't about marriage now is it. This is a trojan horse for acceptance, which will never happen.

[spursncowboys]

what year do you live in?

care to explain.

[TheProfessor]

I would never persecute, harm, or discriminate against sexuals. Never.

I won't support anything that does that.

Just because I disapprove of them and think they are confused, perverted human beings, doesn't mean I don't care for them as human beings and would see them harm. I would help them, and if I saw a sexual being hurt, I would be on the sexual's side.



But my views don't change. and I don't want marriage re-defined and muddied up with sexuals.


Give them their own ins ution. Gay couples are a new and strange thing to be recognized now to the USA, so accordingly, give them a new union name, with all of the same rights.


I'd be happy with that, the end.

If they aren't happy, too ing bad. My happiness matters too.

Fair enough. I got on my soapbox, but I see where you stand now. Personally, I agree with the other posters that would allow churches to do what they want and make a civil ceremony that's the same across the board.

[spursncowboys]

I would never persecute, harm, or discriminate against sexuals. Never.

I won't support anything that does that.

Just because I disapprove of them and think they are confused, perverted human beings, doesn't mean I don't care for them as human beings and would see them harm. I would help them, and if I saw a sexual being hurt, I would be on the sexual's side.



But my views don't change. and I don't want marriage re-defined and muddied up with sexuals.


Give them their own ins ution. Gay couples are a new and strange thing to be recognized now to the USA, so accordingly, give them a new union name, with all of the same rights.


I'd be happy with that, the end.

If they aren't happy, too ing bad. My happiness matters too. and they should only be worried about being with their couple and afforded all of the financial/legal incentives.

If they are worried about what I think of them, then this isn't about marriage now is it. This is a trojan horse for acceptance, which will never happen.

It is disturbing how these open minded people are willing to brand us for not following them lock-step. I see the brown shirt mentality from their side, not us.