ATRAIN must not go to Uganda

[lefty]

Love to hear your rationale for this. So youre saying white Europeans made native Africans savages who practice witchcraft, slaughter human albinos for their organs and body parts, sport-kill lepers, force children into armies, "corrective rape" lesbians and are nearing a stage where they pass laws whereby sexuality becomes punishable by death?

This is Europe's fault? Really?

Do explain, please.

Yes yes yes

When you put a country in a ty situation in order to take advantadge of their natural resources, people's behavior will be bad, due to:

- horrible economy
- no future

People start not trusting each other and will do everything to make $$$$

Oh, but it gets better; they train those killers, molesters, whatever you want to call them, when they are children, in order to turn them into psychopaths.



Of course, I can understand that you can not see that from Michigan, but I lived in a few African countries; I've witnessed things you wouldn't believe, but I've also met exceptional people; I also had the opportunity to speak with Afican and European writers and journalists when I lived in Belgium and France.

Basically, the U.S and the Internationale Socialiste Francaise have purposely created dissensions in African countries, putting dictators here and there who would weaken the population and come up with re ed laws; if democracy takes over and economic prosperity occurs, France, the U.S, Netherlands or Belgium wouldn't be able to take advantadge of the local natural resources, right?
That's why they spread the over there; and they also have spies too: diplomats, monks, teacher, and what not....... they have to be aware of any rumor that can lead them to believe that a revolution is coming up.

Control, control, control.


I don't want to sound like Noam Chomsky, but you get the picture.

[ginobili's bald spot]

Yes yes yes

When you put a country in a ty situation in order to take advantadge of their natural resources, people's behavior will be bad, due to:

- horrible economy
- no future

People start not trusting each other and will do everything to make $$$$

Oh, but it gets better; they train those killers, molesters, whatever you want to call them, when they are children, in order to turn them into psychopaths.



Of course, I can understand that you can not see that from Michigan, but I lived in a few African countries; I've witnessed things you wouldn't believe, but I've also met exceptional people; I also had the opportunity to speak with Afican and European writers and journalists when I lived in Belgium and France.

Basically, the U.S and the Internationale Socialiste Francaise have purposely created dissensions in African countries, putting dictators here and there who would weaken the population and come up with re ed laws; if democracy takes over and economic prosperity occurs, France, the U.S, Netherlands or Belgium wouldn't be able to take advantadge of the local natural resources, right?
That's why they spread the over there; and they also have spies too: diplomats, monks, teacher, and what not....... they have to be aware of any rumor that can lead them to believe that a revolution is coming up.

Control, control, control.


I don't want to sound like Noam Chomsky, but you get the picture.

Good post lefty.

[lefty]

Good post lefty.

Merci beaucoup, thank you

[DarkReign]

Yes yes yes

When you put a country in a ty situation in order to take advantadge of their natural resources, people's behavior will be bad, due to:

- horrible economy
- no future

People start not trusting each other and will do everything to make $$$$

Oh, but it gets better; they train those killers, molesters, whatever you want to call them, when they are children, in order to turn them into psychopaths.



Of course, I can understand that you can not see that from Michigan, but I lived in a few African countries; I've witnessed things you wouldn't believe, but I've also met exceptional people; I also had the opportunity to speak with Afican and European writers and journalists when I lived in Belgium and France.

Basically, the U.S and the Internationale Socialiste Francaise have purposely created dissensions in African countries, putting dictators here and there who would weaken the population and come up with re ed laws; if democracy takes over and economic prosperity occurs, France, the U.S, Netherlands or Belgium wouldn't be able to take advantadge of the local natural resources, right?
That's why they spread the over there; and they also have spies too: diplomats, monks, teacher, and what not....... they have to be aware of any rumor that can lead them to believe that a revolution is coming up.

Control, control, control.


I don't want to sound like Noam Chomsky, but you get the picture.

While I see your point, how this relates to the practice of witchcraft, the slaughtering of human albinos, the sport-killing of lepers and apparently a new law condemning sexuals and their "conspirators" to death is a little lost on me.

Sure, every place in the world has been exploited by Europe and its descendants at one time or another (or currently, as is the case with Africa), this I readily recognize. But that does not explain barbarism in the 21st century and certainly cant be used as an excuse forever.

When almost an entire continent forcefully conscripts male children into militias, slaughtering other humans by the thousands as war bands, one has to question their humanity. I mean, some of the civil wars there are like straight out of a Roman history book. The only thing missing are mass crucifictions lining both sides of the street as warnings to those left alive. Then again, what do I know, maybe they are leaving messages like that.

Makes them all the more appalling. BTW, meeting good people in troubled lands is not unique to Africa, my friend. Lots of good Germans with good hearts and good families served the Fuhrer, too. If the good people of Africa cannot seize control of their own lands from the warlords and Western corruptors, then honestly, they arent fit to lead. I see Africa as a completely failed experiment that the West continues to exploit for its own ends. The natives are proof positive that you cannot give civilization away like a gift...it is earned and wanted. Guess that explains why aliens dont come down from on high, amiright?

But enough about this, you lived there, you obviously have a much better perspective and intellect on the continent of Africa than me. But one thing you are that I am not is emotionally involved.

[Trainwreck2100]

Not just pissed but unnecessarily argumentative.

that's what happens when you get christmas/birthday presents

[lefty]

While I see your point, how this relates to the practice of witchcraft, the slaughtering of human albinos, the sport-killing of lepers and apparently a new law condemning sexuals and their "conspirators" to death is a little lost on me.

Sure, every place in the world has been exploited by Europe and its descendants at one time or another (or currently, as is the case with Africa), this I readily recognize. But that does not explain barbarism in the 21st century and certainly cant be used as an excuse forever.

When almost an entire continent forcefully conscripts male children into militias, slaughtering other humans by the thousands as war bands, one has to question their humanity. I mean, some of the civil wars there are like straight out of a Roman history book. The only thing missing are mass crucifictions lining both sides of the street as warnings to those left alive. Then again, what do I know, maybe they are leaving messages like that.

Makes them all the more appalling. BTW, meeting good people in troubled lands is not unique to Africa, my friend. Lots of good Germans with good hearts and good families served the Fuhrer, too. If the good people of Africa cannot seize control of their own lands from the warlords and Western corruptors, then honestly, they arent fit to lead. I see Africa as a completely failed experiment that the West continues to exploit for its own ends. The natives are proof positive that you cannot give civilization away like a gift...it is earned and wanted. Guess that explains why aliens dont come down from on high, amiright?

But enough about this, you lived there, you obviously have a much better perspective and intellect on the continent of Africa than me. But one thing you are that I am not is emotionally involved.

I totally respect your opinion, and we could talk about this for days.

One thing for sure: war sucks