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    But I really Like Marc Gasol ...no lie ... he's on my fantasy team ...and not sure of All-star but he is borderline like a bigger Scola ...

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    Wow...ok let me chime in here

    If you spurs fans TRULY and 100% BELIEVED the league influenced this trade to get the Lakers back on top....why in the are you still interested in the NBA then? Makes no sense why you would still watch this manufactured product....it is preposterous..

    Obviously Allanon is bull and likes to troll with his marc gasol shtick....

    The lakers OBVIOUSLY got the better of the deal....80/20....but Kwame was the biggest expiring available an critt was a valued prospect at the time....gasol was too....he had a good year before la traded him....the thing that makes ZERO sense regarding the trade is ing randolph....why in the would they trade Pau for that....get the cap space....and then trade for anthony fatass randolph....they would have a large amount of capsapce....have conley/mayo/gay?/gasol going into this off-season....

    Randolph ed it all up for them....why they did that????

    But save your ing conpsiracy bull and shut the up ! get off every fukin nba forum you post in if you believe that bull !

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    I got no problem with this at ude and am not trying to make Lakers fans feel guilty because of it. In fact, this is the at ude that Lakers fans should have ... not this boastful, we're-better-than-everyone-else act. Everyone knows that the Spurs did things better than anyone else in the past decade; shady trades altering who wins more les in the decade doesn't change that.
    If that line of thinking helps you sleep better at night, more power to you.

    Personally whether my team makes shady trades, legit trades, dumb trades, or whatever has no bearing whatsoever on my feelings toward the organization or the league. I see no benefit to the intangible ethical les you seem to take comfort in, and assume that anyone even cares about. Somehow I doubt were Oberto and picks traded for Gasol you'd care in the slightest about "shady trades altering who wins more les in a decade".

    I root for my team thick or thin, and whatever they do I roll with it. You can have your empty pseudo-moral victories if they help you sleep at night. Its not my responsibility to worry about how they do it, or what it is. Its my responsibility to be there to enjoy or lament the results. And right now i'm enjoying the out of them.

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    No, Lakers fanS. You're not the only one, you're one of many. Because I've seen many attempt to defend this trade and I just don't get it.
    There have been NO Lakers fans defending this trade other than me. Please quote me ANY other Laker fan who defended this trade.

    You've seen many attempts, just find one attempt that wasn't me and quote/link it here please.

    I've been the lone Laker black sheep on this deal here at ST...don't try to make this a Lakerfan thing.

    I just explained what was thought to be the upside for both Gasol and Crittenton in the previous post. Those two, plus the 1st round picks ulative upside did not equal any more than half of Gasol's worth. There were questions about Gasol's athleticism and conditioning and where his sheer size and skill would be enough in the NBA. Obviously, he's in much better shape now and proving otherwise. But like I said, you have to take things for what they were at the time of the deal.
    Why do we have to take it for what it was at the time of the deal? How many teams deal on potential?

    This isn't 2008. Like I said, I'd give you a free pass for thinking this in 2008. But NOW, no.

    The words "great" and "Marc Gasol" should never be used in the same sentence. Most overused word in sports: great. Duncan is great, Bryant is great, Marc Gasol...not so much. $13 million? $10, max.
    You are under-estimating Marc Gasol as everybody else has in the past. People are already saying he's a nastier Pau Gasol. The gap between Pau and Marc is not very big. But you would only know this if you watch him play which you obviously haven't because you asked the Power Forward question.

    Marc Gasol is naturally more talented than Pau, it won't be long before he exceeds Pau's skills.

    Except for the fact that Bynum and Gasol would have a difficult time playing extended minutes together defensively because neither could effectively guard power forwards.
    Have you watched any Grizzlies games this year?
    If you had, you wouldn't be saying this because it's quite ridiculous.

    Let me ask you: what are you attempting to justify this trade? There is no justification. Just because it turns out that the Grizzlies got some value out of it does not mean there wasn't any wrongdoing here. Not alerting other teams beforehand is su ious enough. Then you throw in the fact that he was dealt to the league's marquee franchise, which was one impact player away from being back among the league's elite...it's just all too convenient.
    I am saying as of today this was a VERY fair trade.

    In fact, I challenge you to find any trade that was more fair for a big man. Explain what the teams got back in return.
    Last edited by Allanon; 12-10-2009 at 01:43 AM.

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    You are under-estimating Marc Gasol as everybody else has in the past. People are already saying he's a nastier Pau Gasol. The gap between Pau and Marc is not very big.


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    Why aren't you posting other your other nickname today?

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    Why aren't you posting other your other nickname today?
    ha wat?

    and wat name is that? tell a mod to do an ip check too....

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    ha wat?

    and wat name is that? tell a mod to do an ip check too....
    lol

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    Anyways....I don't think West had ANYTHING to do with the trade....or the league...I think Memphis took the bst possibly deal they thought they could get....but they ed it up with randolph

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    I think at this time ...even with Marc Gasol developing Gasol is more than SLIGHTLY better than his younger bro ...when Pau was in marcs place he had better stats and he led his team to the playoffs ...
    Factor in Pau wa sthe MVP of Euro balll this past year and a keymember of a Champion and has made all-stars ...tough to argue the other way ...Love Marc though

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    I've never understood why Lakers fans argue this deal. It's not about what Gasol (Marc) has turned into, it's what his value was at the time. At the time, he was an unathletic, overweight, out of shape center who people projected as a competent backup at this level because of his size and skill. Some said at the time that he's not a lock to stick in the league, though. Crittenton was a project right from the jump and projected as an off the bench combo guard (think poor man's Crawford) if he reached his potential. In addition to the 1st round pick that was thrown in (essentially meaningless, because of how low it was destined to be), there was very little ulative value in this deal. In return, they got a big man as skilled as any in the league not named Duncan, who was just entering his prime.

    We know the Grizzlies did this for "cap related purposes", but if you don't think there was something else at work behind the scenes on this, then you're in denial and niave. It's not just the West connection between the two franchises; the league had to have played a roll in this. Most of the rest of the league didn't even know about it in advance or have time to put together a package and because of that to this day they're still furious. Think about that for a second: how often are teams openly furious about a trade when it occurs? What about going on 2 years later? Unheard of. What likely happened is the league saw their marquee franchise off to a surprising start and knew that if that team had a competent 2nd star (mainly up front) that they'd have a chance to contend, which meant having them on national TV more, which leads to more ratings and subsequently more money for the league. Bryant was one of their two marquee players and they didn't want the remainder of his prime spent on a team toiling in mediocrity.
    So many errors in your post I don't know where to start. At the time of the trade, Marc had lost quite a bit of weight and was beasting in Europe. Of course its not the NBA but clearly, if you can judge improvement and work ethic not to mention lineage, you could see that there was a lot of potential. Certainly more than a competent backup. Apparently the Grizz saw this as well as the Lakers because the Grizz demand to have Marc in the deal almost crushed it.

    Jarvis was at best a prospect and was going to be dealt anyway due to the Grizz guard situation. There were two first round picks included not one. All three of these were obtained for future trade considerations. Lets not forget that the Grizz were dumping salary and going YOUTH to start a core group of guys to grow together with.

    Funny how now the Lakers got as skilled a big man not named duncan in todays discussions but during the 2008 playoffs all we heard was how soft he was and couldnt even win a game in the playoffs for the Grizz.

    Of course the Grizz did the move for cap space. The were rebuilding and there was also a huge backlash in Memphis by season tix holders that wanted Pau dealt. Now we keep hearing all the collusion BS but have yet to see any proof of anything dishonest provided. Put up or shut up. If you truly believe the league conspires the way you imply... and yet still watch... then you are an idiot.

    The rest of the league did know Pau was on the block and the Grizz had talks with the Bulls just the month prior. Look it up.

    How often are teams openly furious about a trade and even talk about it 2 years later? When it's the hated Lakers and the trade takes them from contender to favorite for those 2 years. Duh.

    2nd marquee player to make them contenders? They were already contenders and were flip flopping with the Suns as leaders of the west. Look it up. I guess in your book being in first or second place in the dominant west halfway through the season is mediocrity... and that would explain your lack of knowledge and errors in your post.

    ... and here we are two years later. Marc is playing great. The Grizz have a young core of good players and a future MUCH brighter than had they kept Pau. Seems to me it has worked out great for both teams. All thats left is the belly aching that other teams spew while eating thier sour grapes. Go figure.

    Last but not least... Allanon... make that two Laker fans because I posted on Laker boards and a Suns board at the time of the trade that when all was said and done and you had all the players obtained from the picks and salary saved along with Marc's development.... that the trade would be a lot more even than people were ing about. Of course I was flamed and said just what... it will be me laughing in the end.
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    Last but not least... Allanon... make that two Laker fans because I posted on Laker boards and a Suns board at the time of the trade that when all was said and done. When you had all the players obtained from the picks and salary saved along with Marc's development.... that the trade would be a lot more even than people were ing about. Of course I was flamed and said just what... it will be me laughing in the end.
    I know how you feel, Cob.

    You're one of the newer Laker dudes here but I know I've seen you at that one Suns board for ages (that one with the Emo fan that followed Shaq around his different teams)

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    I know how you feel, Cob.

    You're one of the newer Laker dudes here but I know I've seen you at that one Suns board for ages (that one with the Emo fan that followed Shaq around his different teams)
    Yeah... I got banned from there for insisting the Shaq trade was a failure for them. I need to go back and post both my "I told you so"

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    honestly the trade doesnt appear as heavily lopsided as it initially was considering marc's developement, but still the grizzlies trading away someone like pau for simply cap space and an interesting prospect was very risky....im sure there were other teams willing to offer cap space with more solidified prospects instead of marc who at the time was an unkown. there were a couple of gm's that were shocked by the trade i even remember one of them saying something along the lines of 'if thats all it took i wouldve made an offer'.

    considering those things the trade was shady plain and simple, i dont see how LA fans can dispute that...nobody can prove for sure if west or the nba played a part in it but you cant blame anyone for suspecting that either.

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    So many errors in your post I don't know where to start. At the time of the trade, Marc had lost quite a bit of weight and was beasting in Europe. Of course its not the NBA but clearly, if you can judge improvement and work ethic not to mention lineage, you could see that there was a lot of potential. Certainly more than a competent backup. Apparently the Grizz saw this as well as the Lakers because the Grizz demand to have Marc in the deal almost crushed it.

    Jarvis was at best a prospect and was going to be dealt anyway due to the Grizz guard situation. There were two first round picks included not one. All three of these were obtained for future trade considerations. Lets not forget that the Grizz were dumping salary and going YOUTH to start a core group of guys to grow together with.

    Funny how now the Lakers got as skilled a big man not named duncan in todays discussions but during the 2008 playoffs all we heard was how soft he was and couldnt even win a game in the playoffs for the Grizz.

    Of course the Grizz did the move for cap space. The were rebuilding and there was also a huge backlash in Memphis by season tix holders that wanted Pau dealt. Now we keep hearing all the collusion BS but have yet to see any proof of anything dishonest provided. Put up or shut up.

    The rest of the league did know Pau was on the block and the Grizz had talks with the Bulls just the month prior. Look it up.

    How often are teams openly furious about a trade and even talk about it 2 years later? When it's the hated Lakers and the trade takes them from contender to favorite for those 2 years. Duh.

    2nd marquee player to make them contenders? They were already contenders and were flip flopping with the Suns as leaders of the west. Look it up. I guess in your book being in first or second place in the dominant west halfway through the season is mediocrity... and that would explain your lack of knowledge and errors in your post.

    ... and here we are two years later. Marc is playing great. The Grizz have a young core of good players and a future MUCH brighter than had they kept Pau. Seems to me it has worked out great for both teams. All thats left is the belly aching that other teams spew while eating thier sour grapes. Go figure.

    Last but not least... Allanon... make that two Laker fans because I posted on Laker boards and a Suns board at the time of the trade that when all was said and done. When you had all the players obtained from the picks and salary saved along with Marc's development.... that the trade would be a lot more even than people were ing about. Of course I was flamed and said just what... it will be me laughing in the end.
    Best deal they could get? The majority of the league had no clue that this deal was about to go down. Aside from the one-sidedness of it, why do you think so many were furious? Because they didn't even have a chance to put together a package.

    He was still overweight. His projection at the time was competent backup center. Yeah, I thought there were two first round picks, but couldn't remember for certain. Let's face it: what were the odds of any asset acquired in the deal becoming part of the Grizzlies core going forward? Not very good.

    He is extremely soft, but what does that have to do with his skill level? Oh but I forgot, the Lakers, they're the epitome of being hard done.

    Get real...you'll never see an ounce of proof on this; it's simply putting the pieces of the puzzle together. If this were actually true (we'll never know) and word got out, all of the league's credibility would be gone.

    I remember it well. Gasol was rumored being shopped, but when it actually went down a lot of teams didn't know that they had a deal with the Lakers. I'm not going to waste time finding old articles, but teams (including the Bulls, if I'm not mistaken) felt they never had a chance.

    Don't make your excuse. The fact of the matter is it's unheard of.

    Big deal what they were doing relatively early in the regular season. I know it's hypothetical, but bear with me here: the Lakers don't get Gasol, Bynum is out injured...even with an injured Ginobili, do the Lakers have a chance against the Spurs?

    Once again, it's all hindsight. Gasol was not supposed to be nearly as good as he's turned out to be and even if he was, who gives a ? It's still not nearly enough value and all the Grizzlies did (assuming their goal is to one day win a championship) is put another potential superpower in their way in the West for the next handful of years. All teams like them had to do was out-wait the Spurs and then attempted to capitalize.

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    boo- in-hoo...Lakers just beat every team to the punch w/ the gasol trade...get the over it

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    At the time of the trade and you didn't see the potential, I can understand. But teams trade on potential all the time. And it worked perfectly for the Grizz.

    Even Jeff Van Gundy, a big jokester about the trade said he's loving Marc Gasol (said it in the Lakers game).

    In hindsight, I don't know how anybody can say this wasn't a very fair deal.

    There hasn't been a fairer big man trade this whole decade.

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    Gasol was on the block WELL before...if your teams GM didn't make a ing offer that doesn't mean its a ing conspiracy. The bulls and grizz were rumored quite a while b4 the trade went down

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    There have been NO Lakers fans defending this trade other than me. Please quote me ANY other Laker fan who defended this trade.

    You've seen many attempts, just find one attempt that wasn't me and quote/link it here please.

    I've been the lone Laker black sheep on this deal here at ST...don't try to make this a Lakerfan thing.



    Why do we have to take it for what it was at the time of the deal? How many teams deal on potential?

    This isn't 2008. Like I said, I'd give you a free pass for thinking this in 2008. But NOW, no.



    You are under-estimating Marc Gasol as everybody else has in the past. People are already saying he's a nastier Pau Gasol. The gap between Pau and Marc is not very big. But you would only know this if you watch him play which you obviously haven't because you asked the Power Forward question.

    Marc Gasol is naturally more talented than Pau, it won't be long before he exceeds Pau's skills.


    Have you watched any Grizzlies games this year?
    If you had, you wouldn't be saying this because it's quite ridiculous.



    I am saying as of today this was a VERY fair trade.

    In fact, I challenge you to find any trade that was more fair for a big man. Explain what the teams got back in return.
    Look, I'm not going to waste my time searching for this, but I've argued and seen many a debates on various NBA message boards regarding this trade. Trust me on that. Here on SpursTalk specifically? Can't say for certain I've see that, but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

    You're missing the point. It's one thing to deal for potential when the potential is projected to be high; that wasn't the case in this deal. One was originally thought to be a backup center, the other an off the bench combo guard.

    I have watched him play and know the numbers, but the fact of the matter is he's more than likely never going to make an All-Star team, meanwhile his brother is a consensus top 15 player at this point.

    Naturally more talented? And you're telling me I'm ridiculous? Don't pull this know it all with me, like I don't follow the league. From what I've seen and know of Gasol, he can't effectively guard power forward's on a full time basis.

    The Garnett trade, while not equal in value, was much more fair. Jefferson projected as an All-Star caliber big man and Green was thought to have a big time upside at the time. Even Telfair, while people realized that he clearly wasn't going to be a star at that point, he was still a better prospect than Crittenton ever was.

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    Look, I'm not going to waste my time searching for this, but I've argued and seen many a debate on various NBA message boards regarding this trade. Trust me on that. Here on SpursTalk specifically? Can't say for certain I've see that, but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
    On other boards, sure, not this one.

    You're missing the point. It's one thing to deal for potential when the potential is projected to be high; that wasn't the case in this deal. One was originally thought to be a backup center, the other an off the bench combo guard.

    I have watched him play and know the numbers, but the fact of the matter is he's more than likely never going to make an All-Star team, meanwhile his brother is a consensus top 15 player at this point.
    I'll take a sig bet with you about him not making the All Star team. There was even talk that he'd make it this year. Next year he's in. Marc will get the coach's vote.

    Put your sig where your mouth is.

    Naturally more talented? And you're telling me I'm ridiculous? Don't pull this know it all with me, like I don't follow the league. From what I've seen and know of Gasol, he can't effectively guard power forward's on a full time basis.

    The Garnett trade, while not equal in value, was much more fair. Jefferson projected as an All-Star caliber big man and Green was thought to have a big time upside at the time.
    You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Marc Gasol is better suited at the Poward Forward position because he's a natural shooter. He's already a better shooter than Pau.

    And if you were watching the Grizz, you would know they are grooming him to play the Power Forward position with Thabeet at Center. They put him at PF in almost every game along with Thabeet.

    Marc Gasol is an outstanding PF defender and his soft touch makes him an equally good PF on offense. His footwork and passing isn't as good as Pau....yet.
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    Look, I'm not going to waste my time searching for this, but I've argued and seen many a debate on various NBA message boards regarding this trade. Trust me on that. Here on SpursTalk specifically? Can't say for certain I've see that, but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

    You're missing the point. It's one thing to deal for potential when the potential is projected to be high; that wasn't the case in this deal. One was originally thought to be a backup center, the other an off the bench combo guard.

    I have watched him play and know the numbers, but the fact of the matter is he's more than likely never going to make an All-Star team, meanwhile his brother is a consensus top 15 player at this point.

    Naturally more talented? And you're telling me I'm ridiculous? Don't pull this know it all with me, like I don't follow the league. From what I've seen and know of Gasol, he can't effectively guard power forward's on a full time basis.

    The Garnett trade, while not equal in value, was much more fair. Jefferson projected as an All-Star caliber big man and Green was thought to have a big time upside at the time.

    I'm by no means a huge M Gasol fan like Allanon....but at the time of the trade he had considerable talent and was a high prospect. And JCritt at the time was not a combo guard off the bench ceiling. Laker brass saw him as a potential all-star....they were INCREDIBLY excited by him... thats why so many Laker fans were hyping him up....

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    I'll take a sig bet with you about him not making the All Star team. There was even talk that he'd make it this year. Next year he's in.




    Timmy, Pau, Amare, Yao, Bynum ring a bell??????

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    I'm by no means a huge M Gasol fan like Allanon....but at the time of the trade he had considerable talent and was a high prospect. And JCritt at the time was not a combo guard off the bench ceiling. Laker brass saw him as a potential all-star....they were INCREDIBLY excited by him... thats why so many Laker fans were hyping him up....
    No, he wasn't. He was a mid-level prospect. Yeah, that was Crittenton's ceiling at the time. Of course on draft night, analysts get carried away and overzealous, but did anybody really think Crittenton had star or even starter written all over him? Just like Spurs fans hype of Hill, who while clearly better than Crittenton will ever be, is and more than likely never will be anything close to resembling a star.

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    Timmy, Pau, Amare, Yao, Bynum ring a bell??????
    Bynum and Marc will be the two best Centers in the West next year. I dunno about Yao.

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    No, he wasn't. He was a mid-level prospect. Yeah, that was Crittenton's ceiling at the time. Of course on draft night, analysts get carried away and overzealous, but did anybody really think Crittenton had star or even starter written all over him? Just like Spurs fans hype of Hill, who while clearly better than Crittenton will ever be, is and more than likely never will be anything close to resembling a star.

    You're en led to your opinion.....


    Doesn't change the fact that Gasol on the Lakers =


    Yep...4 more in a row for your ing ass to deal with

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