Manu when on is easily just as good. He just doesn't stay at that level as long or consistently.
Thank you for affirming my point.
If you don't like it go suck Kobe off some more.
Kobe himself has even mentioned he likes watching Manu so you could easily say that he has picked up a thing or two from Manu about being unselfish.
Because Kobe sure as was selfish for a good 5, 6 seasons.
No he's not. Nor has he ever been.
What was that? Can't hear you with all that Manu penis situated in your mouth.
Kobe sure as was better than Manu his entire career. Give Manu that 05/06 Lakers team and they would have been would be catching lottery balls.
Did I say Manu was better over his whole career? I said when Manu is at his best he could play at an insane level.
If you were to put Manu on a bad team in his prime he could have averaged close to 30 too.
Wow Kobe is the only player ever that can average 30 points on a crappy team while taking 40 ing shots a game. LOL He's so impressive.
It's arguable.
I said so months ago.
Its a ing Civil War in here.
No, Manu is not even remotely close to Kobe, not when he's at his best, not ever.Manu at his best is on the same level as Kobe, but Kobe is usually at his best 24/7.
Take a gander at Kobe's career stats.
Yes he is. Coming with the stats argument means you didn't read a word I said.
I guess you have never watched a Spurs game since before 2005.
Pau is a great fit for the Lakers.
Marc could have been a great fit for the Lakers (although I lean towards Pau)
Business is still business regarding all things NBA and doubt that the legal department over at NBA headquarters cares a hoot about what us fans thinks could have or should have been done regarding this trade.
.....relax guys.
At prime one can say it and not be afraid= Kobe portends not to have conscious in game. Manu simply did not.
Manu was more lethal than Kobe.
Kobe needs. Manu is self-contained.
I agree that a great Manu game playing at his best is an average Kobe game.
If you ask me Kobe is the last couple of years has been playing like Manu's 2005-2007 Blueprint where he looks to get other players involved and takes over the game in the 4th.
Manu at his best is on the same level as Kobe, but Kobe is usually at his best 24/7
As I said, that was from earlier in the year. As the trade happened, I recall teams being furious because they didn't know it was going down.
What the are you talking about? People have complained (rightly so) since the day that deal went down. Like anything, with time you hear less and less of it, but people are still furious over it. I just read that within' the past two weeks.
"Conspiricy"? Conspiracy. I'm not niave or a fanboy like you. I know full well that there has to be some wrongdoing going on in all of professional sports. Do I buy that the results are rigged? Not a chance, because no one in their right mind would risk multi-billion dollar en ies over having one of their marquee teams in the Finals one year. I like watching basketball, this just so happens to be the highest level it's played at and I find it entertaining.
For the umpteenth time, I know he was available. But that was early in the season. Then, talk died down and then all of a sudden, out of the blue one day he's off to the Lakers. It's standard procedure in sports to inform the entire league when you're making a player available, so as to not limit your options and to maximize the return you get.
Way to cop-out, you ing homer. The league saw their marquee franchise having a surprising year and knew full well that with one more impact player that they could contend for a championship. If that shady trade never goes down, then barring injury, to this day the Spurs are still ruling the West.
ing rights the problem I have with this deal is that it involved the Lakers. That's precisely what takes it from head scratching to clearly shady. When things like this and the Barry no-call and game 6 in the '02 WCF stop going the Lakers favor, then people will stop being su ious.It has everything to do with him being a center. Marc is a C/PF, Pau is a PF/C.It has nothing to do with him being a Center, he can play both positions very well. Just like Pau. Except Marc's a better shooter and that goes better with the PF position.
Plodding Marc Gasol was last year. You obviously haven't watched him play, he's about the same size as Pau Gasol right now and very fast for a Center.
Fat, plodding Marc was last year, he's no longer fat:
Hahah, you're crazy.
The Memphis Twin Towers is looking very good at this point. Thabeet on D and Marc on offense...very potent PF/Center combo once they get some more time together.
Zach Randolph becomes a valuable expiring next year.
Give 'em some time and you'll see 'ol Allanon was right yet again.
I have watched him play, do you not listen? I just watched him play against the Cavs on Tuesday. I know full well that he lost a lot of weight (I believe I already brought this up), so cut the know-it-all act. Marc is a center and a plodder; losing weight doesn't change that.
Thabbet has career backup written all over him. Because of his length and shot blocking/rim protection, he'll always have value, a la Diop. But he'll probably always have a low IQ and a limited skill-set.
When have you ever been right (I mean in direct conversation with me, after I said you were wrong, because you're acting as if that scenario has unfolded before)?
I'm not crying about anything you ing re , what I'm saying is why do the majority of Lakers fans act like arrogant assholes? Like they did everything better than everyone else. Just admit that you benefited from a lopsided, at the very least su ious deal. Is that hard?Why? your fukin crying about a trade that happened 2 years ago....shut your up and i won't be arrogant....
bryant doesn't have the legs for it????
So 2 more years after this....so that year after Kobe is wat...33? 34? Pau is 32 33? LO is 31/32 Ron Ron same age as LO....Bynum is 25 hahaha
And they aren't a contender????
Damn right, Bryant doesn't have the legs for it. Just because you homers see him being marketed with James, Wade, Howard, Paul and Anthony, it's as if you goofs have forgotten the fact that he's significantly older and has far more mileage than any of them.
Like Bryant himself once said, "it's not the age, it's the mileage". Bryant is essentially 33-35 in NBA years right now. If you think he's playing an an elite level past 3 years then you're flat out delusional.
Don't you get it? Just like Duncan is the Spurs window, so to is Bryant the Lakers. Artest and Odom are 30 and Gasol is 29. Bynum is the only significant young player at 22. Is he good enough to be a lead player for a championship team? I seriously doubt it. And even if he is, there isn't enough quality youth/depth or the cap space to put pieces around him. But I'm sure the league will help out the Lakers once they start floundering again.
How can somebody actually say "why are you crying about a trade that happened 2 years ago?" LOL..one of the stupidest comments you'll ever see..how does that change the fact that it has had the biggest impact out of ANYTHING else in the current NBA?..
the Lakers le win last year had me scale back my emotions when it comes to the NBA..I watch it because it entertains me, just like how I watch TV shows and movies..I appreciate the storylines and acting in TV/movies, just like how I appreciate the talent of these players and the game of basketball..
I believe it's VERY naive to believe the NBA hasn't had anything to do with the Lakers success in this era..when a trade like the Gasol trade happens, you just have to stand back and re-think your opinion of the league..
It's the perfect trade..this trade means the NBA doesn't have to do anything involving refs..no ref scandals here, they don't want another Kings-Lakers incident..this trade ensured that their team would have the indisputable most dominant team in the NBA with very little weaknesses..this trade ends the boring Spurs era and makes sure Tim Duncan isn't the undisputed player of the decade..it ensures that Kobe stays happy after he almost cried his way out of LA..it ensures that Kobe will be the media's pick for player of the decade, and it ensures that the media will be able to legitimately talk about MJ vs. Kobe if Kobe wins a few more rings..it's all marketing and it's all perfectly planned so that they don't have to use refs with the Donaghy scandal looming..
you also throw in a Memphis team that is completely irrelevant..they have an owner that would gladly accept a payoff, and coincidentally the logo of the NBA(Mr.Laker himself) was involved with the Grizzlies..
it's all perfectly planned out..
the only people that disagree seem to be Laker fans and people that are too naive to believe that their favorite league is shady..
There you go under-estimating him again. Marc's going to be a great PF.
When that happens, I'll bump this thread for you.
Either you haven't watched him or you don't know what you are watching. Marc has played very well as a PF. You said yourself in a previous post "Bynum and Marc can't guard PF's" or something like that.I have watched him play, do you not listen? I just watched him play against the Cavs on Tuesday. I know full well that he lost a lot of weight (I believe I already brought this up), so cut the know-it-all act. Marc is a center and a plodder; losing weight doesn't change that.
How can you say that when he hasn't been burnt by any PF's? Did you not see the job he did on Dirk?
Ask Mavs fans if Marc can guard an elite PF like Dirk... at least they watched.
o, you said Marc can't guard PF's. I said he can... see Marc Gasol on Dirk. Name ANY PF that's burnt Marc Gasol....there haven't been ANY this year. His very good defense on PF's has been one of his brighter aspects this year.When have you ever been right (I mean in direct conversation with me, after I said you were wrong, because you're acting as if that scenario has unfolded before)?
You're wrong, I'm right.
And when Marc plays PF full time will you admit then you were wrong yet again?
Spurfan brought up this topic. I always respond when this topic is brought up by Spurfan.what I'm saying is why do the majority of Lakers fans act like arrogant assholes?
You should be asking why does Spurfan constantly bring up a trade from 2 seasons ago and then expect not to get a response.
If nobody brings up this trade, I don't respond...it's simple really.
Again, you say lopsided...your ignorance is mind-boggling. Both teams got EXACTLY what they wanted and what they needed.I'm not crying about anything you ing re , what I'm saying is why do the majority of Lakers fans act like arrogant assholes? Like they did everything better than everyone else. Just admit that you benefited from a lopsided, at the very least su ious deal. Is that hard?
What the is lopsided about this trade you dumb ?
Find me a more fair quality big man trade in the last decade. What did the teams get in return?
Where?
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I'm not underestimating him, you're overestimating him you dumb . Acting like this guy is amongst the elite players in the game. He doesn't rank.
How many times do I have to tell you, I've watched him? I've watched him various times and I know very well what I'm watching. I'm very knowledgeable about the game and don't need you, some asshole who lives on a message board all day, to tell me the goings on around the league. Get over yourself.
I said full time neither can guard PF's, but I also said that Gasol, like Miller and Okur, can in certain match-ups guard PF's. He has to often take on the challenge of guarding the best opposing big because Randolph is completely inept defensively. Hasn't been burnt by any? I didn't know you watch every game he plays.
Unless the Grizzlies get a franchise center, he'll never play PF full time. You're not nearly as knowledgeable as you think.
Good for you. I don't give a what you do. If you knew how to read then you'd realize that I've repeatedly answered the issue I have with this trade and Lakers fans at udes towards it. Stop being defensive and a homer.
Again, you fail to read what I said. You have to evaluate when the trade was made and this was an awfully lopsided trade at the time. It still is lopsided, just less so.
Once again, like I said, the Garnett deal was better value.
Now resume jerking off to the thought of Marc Gasol.
That is yet to be seen. He's like in the Top 5 All-Star voting, only you don't see it but thousands of fans do.
Then it's the second answer. You watch but you don't understand.How many times do I have to tell you, I've watched him? I've watched him various times and I know very well what I'm watching. I'm very knowledgeable about the game and don't need you, some asshole who lives on a message board all day, to tell me the goings on around the league. Get over yourself.
He stopped Dirk cold.
Where did you say this? Don't lie. Show me the quote. I remember what you said about this and can pull up a quote if you continue to bull .I said full time neither can guard PF's, but I also said that Gasol, like Miller and Okur, can in certain match-ups guard PF's.
Oh, now he's gone from "can't guard PF's" to "only if he gets a franchise center". So you're saying he has the ability now? hahah, Back-pedaler.Unless the Grizzlies get a franchise center, he'll never play PF full time. You're not nearly as knowledgeable as you think.
Hey you obviously give a because you keep responding. Don't kid yourself.Good for you. I don't give a what you do. If you knew how to read then you'd realize that I've repeatedly answered the issue I have with this trade and Lakers fans at udes towards it. Stop being defensive and a homer.
Why do I have to live in the past. Today, it's a very fair trade.Again, you fail to read what I said. You have to evaluate when the trade was made and this was an awfully lopsided trade at the time. It still is lopsided, just less so.
Don't get mad cuz I'm responding to Spurfan bringing up an old trade. You brought this on yourselfOnce again, like I said, the Garnett deal was better value.
Now resume jerking off to the thought of Marc Gasol.
Ok, explain how the KG deal was a better value? Don't tell me no defense Al Jefferson with a gimpy knee is better than Marc Gasol.
I'll do the Marc Gasol side to save you that work:
Grizzlies got:
2 first round draft picks
Marc Gasol
~$15 in salary relief
Yeah, because All-Star voting has always been an accurate depiction of the best players in the game, which is why McGrady and Carter are on pace to start. Because as we all know, this is 2005 and both are still considered amongst the best players in the game.That is yet to be seen. He's like in the Top 5 All-Star voting, only you don't see it but thousands of fans do.
Then it's the second answer. You watch but you don't understand.
He stopped Dirk cold.
Where did you say this? Don't lie. Show me the quote. I remember what you said about this and can pull up a quote if you continue to bull .
Oh, now he's gone from "can't guard PF's" to "only if he gets a franchise center". So you're saying he has the ability now? hahah, Back-pedaler.
Hey you obviously give a because you keep responding. Don't kid yourself.
Why do I have to live in the past. Today, it's a very fair trade.
Don't get mad cuz I'm responding to Spurfan bringing up an old trade. You brought this on yourself
Ok, explain how the KG deal was a better value? Don't tell me no defense Al Jefferson with a gimpy knee is better than Marc Gasol.
I'll do the Marc Gasol side to save you that work:
Grizzlies got:
2 first round draft picks
Marc Gasol
~$15 in salary relief
Sure I don't; but you do, based on what?
Wow, you mean he played effective (or did Nowitzki just miss shots that he normally makes?) in one specific game you saw? Let's put him on the All-defense first team!
I'm not wasting my time sifting through this thread that is essentially a short story, but it was said in this thread. So whenever I came in (page 4 I believe) you'll find it. Asking Gasol (Marc) to be a full-time PF defender is asking for trouble, though. He can lose all the weight he wants, it doesn't change the fact that he's a sub par athlete with limited lateral quickness.
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the only way the Grizzlies would be dumb enough to move him to PF on a full-time basis would be if they somehow stumbled their way into a franchise center that was too good to be buried behind a 30 mpg starter.
I don't give a in regards to you saying "I always respond when this topic is brought up by SpursFan". Don't kid yourself.
Because that is how you evaluate trades. At the time they were made, was it equal value or did the value project to be equal in time? The answer to both was a resounding no. You're delusional if you think it's a very fair trade and even if you think it is, then why is it that the vast majority think it isn't? Let me guess, we're all just jealous of the almighty, do-everything-better-than-everyone-else Lakers? Get real.
Brought what on myself? I don't know what it is with the posters on this board who have been around a while, but the arrogance (not saying with all, but many) is so over the top that it's beyond laughable. Get a grip.
Jefferson was a better prospect at the time and is a better player now. Gasol is having a better year, but that's because Jefferson is clearly working his way back after knee surgery and having a difficult time picking up the triangle offense. Gasol doesn't have to worry about either of those things. And it's not just Jefferson; Green was still considered a relatively high-upside player at the time, Telfair, while people realized he'd no longer be a star, was still a better prospect than Crittenton ever was and Gomes was and is a solid role player. Plus they also got a 1st round pick (or was it two?).
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Then what you "said" was wrong. Chicago made an offer 3 weeks prior to trade. Regardless of that, he was on the trading block the previous year as well. Heisler/Wallace had also publically commented on how they were looking for large expiring contracts. If the Spurs or any other organization didn't persue the obvious then shame on them. Teams being furious is nothing but sour grapes and acknowledgement they dropped the ball. Get over it.
See above... of couse there is still whining. It's what losers do. You are a prime example of it.
There is wrongdoing done in all aspects of life. Way to go out on a limb there. You and others that imply the league helped make the trade happen and that the Grizz and Lakers did anything against the rules are just blowhards. Again, put up the proof or shut up about it and move on. Now you moron crybabies say you just watch for the entertainment. If thats the case then enjoy and shutup cause the Lakers are one of the more entertaining teams in the league.
See above. The Bulls and other teams were talking to the Grizz WEEKS prior to the trade about trade scenarios. Keep munching on those gapes!
The Lakers were ALREADY contending prior to the trade. They had a better record than your precious Spurs. They were flip flopping with the Suns for best record. To this day the Spurs are still ruling the west? Have you seen your record? You are in 9th spot and haven't played the Lakers. Apparently, according to your logic, the Gasol trade allowed 7 other teams to leapfrog the mighty Spurs.
Now it's the Barry no call. Geeeeeeeez. From one whine to the next. I honestly think you would be better suited being a Suns fan. You sure cry like them.
It's easy for the All Star players like VC and TMac to get on by name alone. That's what is so amazing. A no-name dude like Marc Gasol playing on the Vancouver Grizzlies is in the All Star voting.
Think about that.
You keep up with your stupid little line about Marc Gasol not being able to guard PF's. And pretending like you watch his game's but failed to realize he stopped Dirk. Just read the game thread if you want to be educated.
Don't blame me for your fellow Spurs fans bringing up this topic again and again. Each time it's brought up, I respond. Don't kid yourself, this isn't a Lakerfan agenda; rather it's a Spurfan one.
Who is Green and who is Telfair? They tearing up on some team I don't know about? Or are you living in the past again?
Instead of admitting the Marc Gasol trade was by far fairer than the KG trade you're trying to fabricate a lie instead of seeing what's before your eyes. And as usual, Spurfan comes up with excuses for why no Defense Al Jefferson isn't playing well.
Now you can't come up with answers, only excuses...how damn typical of Spurfan, a thread had to be created for it
Why do Spurs fans make excuses?
Classic.
Typical Lakers fans. Everyone else is wrong, delusional, or jealous and everything the Lakers do is right in every possible way. Word to the wise: if you're going to attempt to talk trash, at least learn how to spell. You're going on 10 spelling errors in 2 posts.Then what you "said" was wrong. Chicago made an offer 3 weeks prior to trade. Regardless of that, he was on the trading block the previous year as well. Heisler/Wallace had also publically commented on how they were looking for large expiring contracts. If the Spurs or any other organization didn't persue the obvious then shame on them. Teams being furious is nothing but sour grapes and acknowledgement they dropped the ball. Get over it.
See above... of couse there is still whining. It's what losers do. You are a prime example of it.
There is wrongdoing done in all aspects of life. Way to go out on a limb there. You and others that imply the league helped make the trade happen and that the Grizz and Lakers did anything against the rules are just blowhards. Again, put up the proof or shut up about it and move on. Now you moron crybabies say you just watch for the entertainment. If thats the case then enjoy and shutup cause the Lakers are one of the more entertaining teams in the league.
See above. The Bulls and other teams were talking to the Grizz WEEKS prior to the trade about trade scenarios. Keep munching on those gapes!
The Lakers were ALREADY contending prior to the trade. They had a better record than your precious Spurs. They were flip flopping with the Suns for best record. To this day the Spurs are still ruling the west? Have you seen your record? You are in 9th spot and haven't played the Lakers. Apparently, according to your logic, the Gasol trade allowed 7 other teams to leapfrog the mighty Spurs.
Now it's the Barry no call. Geeeeeeeez. From one whine to the next. I honestly think you would be better suited being a Suns fan. You sure cry like them.
I said, if not for that deal and injuries, then to this day the Spurs would be still ruling the West.
It's not at all amazing. There is no more shallow a position, in terms of star power, than West centers. Yao is out and Duncan is listed as a forward, so it's essentially down to Stoudemire (who's really a PF) and Bynum. Vancouver Grizzlies? This isn't 95-01.It's easy for the All Star players like VC and TMac to get on by name alone. That's what is so amazing. A no-name dude like Marc Gasol playing on the Vancouver Grizzlies is in the All Star voting.
Think about that.
You keep up with your stupid little line about Marc Gasol not being able to guard PF's. And pretending like you watch his game's but failed to realize he stopped Dirk. Just read the game thread if you want to be educated.
Don't blame me for your fellow Spurs fans bringing up this topic again and again. Each time it's brought up, I respond. Don't kid yourself, this isn't a Lakerfan agenda; rather it's a Spurfan one.
Who is Green and who is Telfair? They tearing up on some team I don't know about? Or are you living in the past again?
Instead of admitting the Marc Gasol trade was by far fairer than the KG trade you're trying to fabricate a lie instead of seeing what's before your eyes. And as usual, Spurfan comes up with excuses for why no Defense Al Jefferson isn't playing well.
Now you can't come up with answers, only excuses...how damn typical of Spurfan, a thread had to be created for it
Why do Spurs fans make excuses?
Classic.
I said full-time re , learn to read. So now I'm "pretending" to watch games just because I didn't see the specific one you're referencing? And when you do watch games? Seeing as how you're on this board about 12 hours a day.
No, it's a Lakers fan agenda. Everyone else outside of Lakers fans realizes how ridiculous this trade was and is and you're here being an apologist and a homer.
At the time they were still considered decent prospects; both better prospects than Crittenton. Living in the past? That was when the deal was made you ing idiot.
As usual? Yeah, because that's all I do, make excuses for a player who plays on a team I don't care about. That makes a lot of sense. Jefferson is a better player than Gasol (Marc). Only an uninformed re such as yourself would think otherwise.
Hahah, oh yeah baby. I don't even have to read your stupid post.
As soon as a brings up spelling errors, you know he's ran out of and lost the argument.
Good job, son.
Al is right, TD, the spelling indictment is the last bastion of the thoroughly vanquished. Use of the Ignore Feature is the penultimate bastion of the thoroughly vanquished.Hahah, oh yeah baby. I don't even have to ready your stupid post.
As soon as a brings up spelling errors, you know he's ran out of and lost the argument.
Good job, son.
So this is your way of copping out? To each his own.Hahah, oh yeah baby. I don't even have to read your stupid post.
As soon as a brings up spelling errors, you know he's ran out of and lost the argument.
Good job, son.
Now go back to jerking off over the thought of Marc Gasol, you ing pussy.
Run along now little kid.
Spelling errors.
Mr. Cliche himself. "Run along now".Run along now little kid.
Spelling errors.
That's right. You come off looking like an idiot when you're talking trash and making spelling errors left and right. You can't be taken seriously when you do that.
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