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Vince is a lot better than RJ and he would have fit here better..the difference was that we would have had to give up Mason's expiring contract AND Hill + some of the others, and probably picks..
I am so glad we dint get either of these jokers. Vince 8-22, took numerous three pointers when orlando was up against Jazz, all bricking. Then refused to drive the lanes, and kept missing layups arguing for fouls instead of getting back on defense. Pretty much same complaint with rasheed, so much so that doc rivers even asked sheed to tone down the three.
If our biggest complaint is that the spurs are a jump shooting team, im so happy we have RJ and McDyess instead. Atleast they are not prima donnas.
Vince is a lot better than RJ and he would have fit here better..the difference was that we would have had to give up Mason's expiring contract AND Hill + some of the others, and probably picks..
Eff em
I am firmly against the belief that VC would fit here.
VC would've been nice, but not for GH
And you know what, most of VC's shots were open, and he legitimately got fouled. Please watch what you like. It is not as if Dwight was doing squat on offense to help VC or Lewis either.
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Actually, an explosive perimeter threat would be more useful to our starting lineup than a slasher. Jefferson's inability to shoot the three-ball, consistently, hurts our core(Duncan and TP). This wouldn't be a problem if Parker could shoot from three-point range, but seeing as he can't, we basically have two slashers at the PG and SF positions. The opposing teams can give us fits by sagging off TP/RJ and dare them to take jump shots. A player like Carter would make them pay for leaving him open.
Also, Parker seems to have a hard time playing with RJ due to his average playmaking skills. As a result, RJ is playing like a glorified version of Michael Finley. If the Spurs envisioned Jefferson to be the team's Manu insurance than they chose the wrong player because VC's game is much more similar to Manu's.
In the end, it doesn't matter because Carter was too pricey for the Spurs and Jefferson was the safer/cheaper option. Just don't bull me and tell me you'd rather have RJ over Carter if both were available for the same price.
RJ may not be a prima donna but he has all the emotional baggage of one after what happened in the summer with his marriage.Atleast they are not prima donnas.
Sheed - Agreed completely
Vince - Agree to some extent
Some still say the spurs are old.... but if we had sheed, we would be old and fat.
Hill and Mason are low to moderate impact players that play low minutes. VC is a high impact player that plays big minutes. That trade would have been definitely worth it and i'm glad it didnt happen.
okay a hill is better then dumbo and mason is a better shooter than vuja
vince carter is bad defender e ally help defender i noticed and a jumpshooter like we saw last night in utah the only good thing about vince is that he can get to the free throw line and is a better free throw shooter than richard but i still rather have richard who dosent jack up 3 pointers and has a better outside shot
sheed same thing he got real fat...and sheed would of done the same bonner would do and thats to stretch the floor and jack up 3's... bonner been playing pretty good this year and bonner is probably one of the best shooters in the league and mcdyess has the better character and been knocking down those outside shots pretty well and played pretty good defense but may need a few more games to adapt a little more
okay a hill is better then dumbo and mason is a better shooter than vuja
vince carter is bad defender e ally help defender i noticed and a jumpshooter like we saw last night in utah the only good thing about vince is that he can get to the free throw line and is a better free throw shooter than richard but i still rather have richard who dosent jack up 3 pointers and has a better outside shot
RJ has NEVER been a better player than VC. Carter's an 8-time all-star while Jefferson is a borderline star in the league. I can't honestly believe that ANYONE would rather have RJ if they were the same price.
AI is 1000x times better player than RJ his entire career. I can't honestly beleive ANYONE would rather have RJ if they were the same price.
RJ has NEVER been a better player than VC. Carter's an 8-time all-star while Jefferson is a borderline star in the league. I can't honestly believe that ANYONE would rather have RJ if they were the same price.
players like VC, TMAC, AI all need the ball a LOT. They dont know how else to play. When they were younger, they had swag, confidence, and athletism which allowed them to take and live with bad shots. Like take a loooong three, and then make up for it, with good drives and ridiculous athletism coz they were jus that damn good. Not anymore, which leaves them as a s /shadow of their former glory, and only their extravagant past in exchange for their moderate present.
We dont need 40% volume shooters. We have Td > 50%, parker > 50% and manu who is a more conservative form of the said "talented shooting guard". Why do you think pop doesnt run plays for RJ? why run plays for a 4th superstar when the team is build around 3 already? esp when the 4th is a 40% fg option? Its better he finds his way around the big three, driving, post up, and slashing for dunks rather than dedicate plays to him.
If RJ was truly supposed to be one of the big options, they would have replaced manu with him rather than keep both.
When everyone is healthy, RJ is a better option. There is NO ING WAY that VC comes here and is happy as option number 4.
RJ has NEVER been a better player than VC. Carter's an 8-time all-star while Jefferson is a borderline star in the league. I can't honestly believe that ANYONE would rather have RJ if they were the same price.
As for being an All Star, it doesn't mean as much as it used to. Fans continually voting in an injured McGrady year after year have seen to that.
If VC was here, he would be option number 2 behind Timmy. That is a fact.
And that would cause conflict with long time Spurs and All Stars Tony and Manu, guys who WILL play defense.
VC is an elite scorer, but he needs the ball a LOT, and the rest of his game is nothing special. His defense is abominable.
The Spurs needed someone who would fit in, not someone who needs a new offense built around him.
I don't see the Orlando Magic changing their system for VC. What baggage does Carter have since his Raptor days? He didn't on the sucky Nets, in fact Kidd ed his way out of the Nets. And Carter would fit in more than Jefferson because of his range and ability to make other players look better.
Are you in' kidding, nobody's better than RJ. You should know that by now.
Assuming both RJ and VC came at the same offer for the Spurs, will the Spurs want VC or RJ? Please truthfully answer this.
Vince's talent would fit the Spurs very well. I don't think anyone can argue that. Vince the player is a great unknown because we've never seen him on a GREAT team. If the price were equal, the Spurs would take Vince.
He was their first target after all.
You are basing this on 1 or 2 games of these guys??!I am so glad we dint get either of these jokers. Vince 8-22, took numerous three pointers when orlando was up against Jazz, all bricking. Then refused to drive the lanes, and kept missing layups arguing for fouls instead of getting back on defense. Pretty much same complaint with rasheed, so much so that doc rivers even asked sheed to tone down the three.
If our biggest complaint is that the spurs are a jump shooting team, im so happy we have RJ and McDyess instead. Atleast they are not prima donnas.
They are all good players, but it's a matter of fitting in and contributing to our team. But we'll never know how VC or Wallace would have impacted our team.. so screw it!
VC cant play sf, and sheed would have been a good fit defensively cause you guys have a bunch of 6'9 guys trying to defend centers. dice is a nice player but he got old fast
I honestly don't see how anyone can blind themselves to these self-evident facts ...
We needed a guy who could come in and NOT rock the boat, essentially, but fit right in and yet still bring the scoring, athleticism and D we needed.
If one sits down and really starts pondering the relationships and at udes, about player and coach personalities, the entire Franchise and who it encompasses, it becomes apparent why the Spurs did what they did - and why it was a good move, a BETTER move, than trading for Vince.
And one can't forget the facts when doing all that pondering: we gave up neither Hill nor Mason for RJ (are there actually Finley luvas you really want him over Mason?), AND it's 33/34 year old VC we'd be going with right now ... a VC well known for various antics and 4 years RJ's senior. And his previous actions include the ultimate anti-Spur action: Not Trying.
I find RJ to fit rather like a glove compared with VC, though there is no way to be sure.
I don't know why you continuously state pure conjecture as a fact. This is a ridiculous statement.
Timmy and Tony are about equal as the "number one" option. That means, there's a number 3 option, which is normally reserved for Manu. For you to state that it's a fact that he'd be the number two option is sloppy forecasting because, as we've seen already, Tony has the ball most of the time. VC would not be "option number 2" behind Timmy. That is conjecture.
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