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    Article by Matt Taibbi - Interesting read

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics..._sellout/print

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    dangerous floater Winehole23's Avatar
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    Taibbi's articles in this vein have been great. Board libs should blame Bush a little less for the massive financial default that tipped us into recession, and pay more attention to what Bob Rubin and Larry Summers did during the Clinton Administration, and are doing right now.

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    Damn... that was a persuasive slam dunk of a read.

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    BigPharma, BigMedicine, BigInsurance cartels got health care reform that enriches them and continued their gorging of America.

    BigFinance will get the financial reform it wants (buys).

    "the influence of Wall Street is simply a fundamental and ineradicable element of our electoral system"

    and their vote$ count much more than citizens' votes.

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    And US/UK BigOil get the Iraq oil contracts from the war-for-oil they got the Repugs to lie to The American People for and to waste US military for.

    S Wins Rights To Iraq's Giant Manjoon Oil Fields

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/1...l?view=printUS and UK oilco's (naturally) were excluded in early 2000s from Saddam's Iraq dealing with French, Russian, Chinese oilcos.

    Oilmen in the Repug WH exploited 9/11 and stopped that real quick, as had been their goal for years before 2000.
    btw, the teabaggers are financed by Koch, an oil and gas billionaire.
    But righties are only enraged by side-shows like czars and deficits, birth certs, govt take over, willfully forgetting the deficit ball got rolling by Repug tax cuts and bogus, fraud-polluted wars.
    The real take over is by the corps of federal govt and US taxpayer's treasure. That doesn't bother the righties, they keep farting smoke screens to cover the real criminals.

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    These rich goons that really run the government are really no different. They just change hats when a new party takes over.

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    That doesn't bother the righties, they keep farting smoke screens to cover the real criminals.
    Doesn't bother the lefties much either, which makes me wonder why your party affiliation is so determined, boutons.

    I thought the genius of the article was how ludicrous it made partisan membership ultimately seem. The wedge issues parties platform on may be different, but the result of their governance has seemed more or less the same in my lifetime: distract the polity with social issues while attending to the needs of the oligarchs.

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    these rich goons that really run the government are really no different. They just change hats when a new party takes over.

    +1

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    Doesn't bother the lefties much either, which makes me wonder why your party affiliation is so determined, boutons.

    I thought the genius of the article was how ludicrous it made partisan membership ultimately seem. The wedge issues parties platform on may be different, but the result of their governance has seemed more or less the same in my lifetime: distract the polity with social issues while attending to the needs of the oligarchs.
    Well put.

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    Meanwhile, b_d seeks to distract from complicity of his own camp in selling out to corporations by holding up a non-sequitur -- the war in Iraq.
    Last edited by Winehole23; 12-11-2009 at 09:30 AM.

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    There is only one solution.

    Spurstalk.com must put forth a Manchurian candidate.

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    I play pretty, no? TeyshaBlue's Avatar
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    Meanwhile, b_d seeks to distract from complicity of his own camp in selling out to corporations by holding up a non-sequitur -- the war in Iraq.
    You have to couch it in terms he can understand.

    Citibank = Haliburton.



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    meanwhile, b_d seeks to distract from complicity of his own camp in selling out to corporations by holding up a non-sequitur -- the war in iraq.
    +1

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    Doesn't bother the lefties much either, which makes me wonder why your party affiliation is so determined, boutons.

    I thought the genius of the article was how ludicrous it made partisan membership ultimately seem. The wedge issues parties platform on may be different, but the result of their governance has seemed more or less the same in my lifetime: distract the polity with social issues while attending to the needs of the oligarchs.
    Basically, yeah.

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    There is only one solution.

    Spurstalk.com must put forth a Manchurian candidate.
    I volunteer. My name is Prentiss Shaw.

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    Yikes. Rolling Stone let this on there site. Not good for Obama. But I also think Obama is a one timer and knows it.,

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    The guy had ZERO significant leadership experience coming into the campaign.

    He never served in the military, never held a leadership position in the private sector, nothing in the business world, he had done NOTHING but talk.

    This just goes to show all of you how stupid idealists can be. "WE R VOTING TO CHANGE TEH WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BLACK MANZ FOR PREZ!!!"

    HOPE N CHANGE!!!

    and didn't stop to think of it rationally. McCain was the better selection. He was not another Bush. I am a registered Democrat and I voted for McCain

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    The guy had ZERO significant leadership experience coming into the campaign.

    He never served in the military, never held a leadership position in the private sector, nothing in the business world, he had done NOTHING but talk.

    This just goes to show all of you how stupid idealists can be. "WE R VOTING TO CHANGE TEH WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BLACK MANZ FOR PREZ!!!"

    HOPE N CHANGE!!!

    and didn't stop to think of it rationally. McCain was the better selection. He was not another Bush. I am a registered Democrat and I voted for McCain
    There's no way that ticket could have had any pull with Palin on board, regardless of who the Dems had run.

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    Yikes. Rolling Stone let this on there site.
    This is Taibbi's third big piece in RS on how our financial oligarchs gamed the bailout, that I can recall right now. The other two were longer, and even more scathing IMO.

    Wino23 thinks Taibbi's reluctance to draw his own conclusions at the end there, is wuss. I think he let Obama off easy. The only way Obama isn't complicit in the overt hijack of political process the bailout of the whole damn banking/financial sector signified, is if he has no idea it was even occurring, and who can believe that? How could Obama not see and understand it happening, brazenly, before him, day after day, like we all did, ? (so to speak)

    Was WH23 only one who noticed that? It couldn't be.

    Obama hired the men (and women: Wino23 is a fan of Elizabeth Warren and to a lesser extent also of Sheila Bair) who administer the bailout. Unless they are keeping Obama completely in the dark; or the POTUS himself has gone completely blind; or he has gone completely crazy or evil as well; or if he is, again, in on the deed...whatevs.

    Taibbi, per contra, urges tacitly if also stylistically IMO that the ultimate returns on Obama as yet are incomplete, and gives Obama the benefit of a doubt and a chance to prove himself, as Mr. Obama must, or fail. Obama's term is not done. The actual damage and benefits have yet to be tallied. Obama is just one quarter through.
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    There's no way that ticket could have had any pull with Palin on board, regardless of who the Dems had run.
    Sadly, you are 100% right. On the money

    Palin turned out to be a buffoon. How the did she ever get to such high a position in Alaska?

    "I can see russia from alaska" ......

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    This is Taibbi's third big piece in RS on how our financial oligarchs gamed the bailout, that I can recall right now. The other two were longer, and even more scathing IMO.

    Wino23 thinks Taibbi's reluctance to draw his own conclusions at the end there, is wuss. I think he let Obama off easy. The only way Obama isn't complicit in the overt hijack of political process the bailout of the whole damn banking/financial sector signified, is if he has no idea it was even occurring, and who can believe that? How could Obama not see and understand it happening, brazenly, before him, day after day, like we all did, ? (so to speak)

    Was WH23 only one who noticed that? It couldn't be.

    Obama hired the men who adminster the bailout. Unless they are keeping Obama completely in the dark; or the POTUS himself has gone completely blind; or he has gone comlpetely crazy or evil as well; or if he is, again, in on the deed...whatevs.

    Taibbi, per contra, urges tacitly if also stylistically IMO that the ultimate returns on Obama as yet are incomplete, and gives Obama the benefit of a doubt and a chance to prove himself, as Mr. Obama must, or fail. Obama's term is not done. The actual damage and benefits have yet to be tallied. Obama is just one quarter through.
    Good points, love the third person

    What people have to understand about Taibbi is that he's a staunch progressive, albeit one who doesn't sip from the donkey kool-aid. I believe he holds out hope for Obama because he hates the other side so much more. It's also true that much of the legislation he talks about hasn't passed through yet, so there is still time for some of these much needed regulations to hold. Smart money, however, is on more loophole ridden legislation to pass through.

    I also found it interesting how Obama shoved out his main economic advisors as the transition team took over. Just more fodder for the conspiracy theorists fire.

    Here is the article by Taibbi on Goldman Sachs, also scathing: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...bubble_machine

    WH23, I'm not familiar with the third article you referenced, if you could post a link I would greatly appreciate it.

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    Doesn't bother the lefties much either, which makes me wonder why your party affiliation is so determined, boutons.

    I thought the genius of the article was how ludicrous it made partisan membership ultimately seem. The wedge issues parties platform on may be different, but the result of their governance has seemed more or less the same in my lifetime: distract the polity with social issues while attending to the needs of the oligarchs.
    One of the most succinct yet accurate summaries I have ever read here. God, I hate the ing Democrats, and Obama's showing himself to be no different. I'm done voting for either of the two parties.

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    thanks man

    One of the most succinct yet accurate summaries I have ever read here. God, I hate the ing Democrats, and Obama's showing himself to be no different. I'm done voting for either of the two parties.
    indeed, i hate em both too. I think this sentiment is really starting to grow. It's even growing here in the Bay area, one of the most liberal places in the country. If I were a democrat, I'd be very worried. If I were a repub, well, I'm glad I'm not. lol

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    WH, your link was broken for me - here it is : http://www.rollingstone.com/politics..._big_takeover/

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