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Add: I just happened to watch the last quarter on my hard drive
two days ago so I remember it well. Doug Collins even said, "Kobe Bryant is responsible
for the last 15 points score
by team USA"......or something to that effect.
Yes, just because D-Wade put up a great performance to put the US into a position where Kobe could take over the ball game. Ya, but Kobe was the best US Olympics player. Carry on.
Shaq carried the Lakers throughout the first 3 quarters, then Kobe took over. Sounds familiar? Shaq was the better player then.
Add: I just happened to watch the last quarter on my hard drive
two days ago so I remember it well. Doug Collins even said, "Kobe Bryant is responsible
for the last 15 points score
by team USA"......or something to that effect.
Hey, Chief, how bout the part where "Timmy couldn't even out a measly repeat."?
I was talking about the Olympics, not the NBA.
Kobe had horrible games, ATROCIOUS GAMES like vs China, Angola, etc..., and if not for WADE, then USA would not have won those games and had enough points to even BE in the medal game
how about that?
Dude, if you know that little about basketball, I can't help you.
Shaquille was a monster which no other teams had an answer for. That doesn't make him a better player. Ask any knowledgable Spurs or Sac fan who did more damage to their teams during those battles.
So Shaq demands double and TRIPLE teams back then, leaving kobe and other Lakers open, and room to make plays
but you don't give the credit to shaq? lol
Cause being more dominant does not make you a better player with more impact. Amuse me. Kobe > Shaq?
I don't care for this argument anymore, Kobe fans are severely outnumbering everybody on the internet right now, just like the old days..go to RealGM, pretty much every poster that has registered in 2009 is a Lakers fan..pretty much every media outlet is doing the same..
All I'm going to say is that Kobe is BY FAR the biggest beneficiary of revisionist history of all-time..of any sport..if you were a die-hard NBA fan earlier in the decade, you would agree..it's just funny to me how people look back and view the Lakers 3-peat now, Shaq has been ted on badly in comparison..my team was a rival, I watched all of those games..Kobe had some huge games against the Spurs and other teams at the times, he was a monstrous part of the 3-peat, but the guy rarely saw a ing double-team..it's as if people forget how much attention Shaq used to draw..he was arguably the biggest mismatch in NBA history..
in every year that the Lakers get better or win a le, Kobe's old days start looking better to his fans and the media..every year they think we're going to forget as they tweak their previous arguments..
OK, so the criteria has changed. It's who had a bigger impact, huh?
I'll give you Shaq on that one, for the simple reason the offense was designed around him as opposed to Kobe.
Also, LOL @ the mention of Kobe raping a girl, as if it had any effect on his image..people forgot about it a year later, which is absolutely ridiculous when you consider how horrible raping somebody is..
The guy benefited from having $ and playing for the most popular franchise in all of sports..people even ignored the fact that his own coach said he wasn't surprised if Kobe did something like that..
Kobe is BY FAR the biggest beneficiary of media hype, revisionist history, second chances, excuses and double standards..nobody even comes close..
Welcome to the real world.
When MJ was playing, everyone hated his ass and they all called him selfish.
The criteria has never changed. A better player almost always has more impact than a lesser player.
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wow laker fans are the worst.
MJ was the most beloved athlete in sports history. period
Gatorade used to sell their products with a simple slogan :
"Be Like Mike.
Drink Gatorade. "
and it worked.
Michael Jordan also single-handedly raised Nike to where it is today.
Fact: In the Olympics, I would have scored more points than Kobe Bryant on higher field goal percentage and more assists. That is why I am the greatest player. If I were on the Lakers, I would get as much sucking. Then again, yours truly, da Juiceman does not want anything to do with the Los Angeles Lakers.
Excellent of you to capitalize the "off the bench" noting that DWade played a majority against the 2nd stringers!
With this logic, it is as if Wade could not pull this off against the starting lineup. Of course, this cannot be disproved.Excellent of you to capitalize the "off the bench" noting that DWade played a majority against the 2nd stringers!
Go Mavs.
Im just messing with Miami. Wade is a great great great player. Of course he would have done well against any lineup. Did Wade have a better olympics overall... yes. Did Kobe come through in the gold medal 4th... yes.
I think if you asked all the players on that team who the learned from the most during thier experience... it would almost be a unamimous Kobe. Players defensive at udes and work ethics all increased post GOLD.
Yeah Kobe just stood there the first 3 quarters while Shaq carried him. Do you actually know how basketball works?
Never saw Shaq win a ring when he had an all-star team 96-98. It wasn't until Kobe emerged as the best shooting guard in the league did the Lakers start collecting rings.
Not defensively he wasn't. Which is 50% of the basketball. Shaq certainly wasn't a better closer and was an actual liability on the floor at times due to his FT shooting.
You remember how MJ was the obvious closer for the Bulls? Sound familiar?
Fact: Kobe winning 3 straight rings with Shaq on the team can not be used to disparage his legacy. It makes you look absolutely clueless when you do.
Idiotic post made by troll. Never make false claims. Fact: Shaq was better than Kobe.Yeah Kobe just stood there the first 3 quarters while Shaq carried him. Do you actually know how basketball works?
Never saw Shaq win a ring when he had an all-star team 96-98. It wasn't until Kobe emerged as the best shooting guard in the league did the Lakers start collecting rings.
Not defensively he wasn't. Which is 50% of the basketball. Shaq certainly wasn't a better closer and was an actual liability on the floor at times due to his FT shooting.
You remember how MJ was the closer forthe Bulls? Sound familiar?
Fact: Kobe winning 3 straight rings with Shaq on the team can not be used to disparage his legacy. It makes you look stupid when you do.
Kobe sharing the ball with Iverson and Marbury would have been comedy at it's finest..
Actually while this is true, it's interesting that Kobe had his best individual seasons AFTER Shaq left.
BTW, I think Kobe over Shaq for the decade is fine, only because Shaq got a bit unlucky in the sense that 6 years of his prime was in the 90s. If this was 95-05, or the first 5 years, I'd say Shaq no question. There is no understating his dominance in his prime.
But as good as he was during the 3 peat (and he was a BEAST), he started declining after the first 4 years of the decade. In year 5-7 he was still good, but had a clear dropoff from his prime, in years 6-9, he wasn't even close to the same player. He was barely relevant in those years.
While Kobe may not have had much team success w/o Shaq until Pau got there, he WAS still dominant as an individual, and that counts for something to alot of people, even if it doesn't to you. Not everyone measures the best athlete over a time period by team success. Was Jim Mcmahon better than Dan Marino?
Basically I think it was a perfect storm for Kobe in that his prime as an individual has lasted throughout nearly the entire decade. And no matter how much you may hate him, he's been unbelievably good, and consistent.
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