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just Matt Bonner being Matt Bonner, most under-appreciated player in the league, the team just functions better when he's in there.
Matt Bonner was +32 in 17 minutes vs. the Clips.
just Matt Bonner being Matt Bonner, most under-appreciated player in the league, the team just functions better when he's in there.
pop apparently knew something that we dont....put bonner in when the clips were killing us on the board and waalaa... +32
LOL @ the +32... If you think that stat is indicative of Bonner's play tonight, then...
wow, suicide huh?LOL @ the +32... If you think that stat is indicative of Bonner's play tonight, then...
nice
I guess you lose your sense of humor when somebody talks your boy Bonner down, uh? It's true though. Tonight, he just happened to be out there when Manu couldn't miss from outside...
Manu was only +9. He had to have done something right, or at least gotten lucky to be on the court when a couple other people were going off in addition to Manu.
On a related note, as of 12/9, Bonner was leading the team in +/- at +67, and also leading the Net48 minutes +/- at +8.3.
Part of the reason for this is that he leads the team in offensive points per possession when he is on the court. As expected, most Spurs players have a better (i.e. lower) opponent's points per possession when they are on the court.
(all numbers per 82games.com)
Manu was out there when were turning the ball over like there was no tomorrow too. Do you guys actually watch the games or just look at the numbers later on?
BTW, have you looked at Bonner's line for the night? 7 points and 2 rebounds and you don't think playing with Blair and Manu had anything to do with his +32?
We were actually laughing about this on the game thread at the end...
oh so it was humor, guess I just don't get it, how was that funny? how did your thought process go from Bonner to that pic?
elNono has a real hate for Bonner.
I never said it had nothing to do with Manu. I was just saying it couldn't have been completely on Manu, and was probably Manu + some other player(s) getting hot + at least a little of Bonner's own effort.
And yes, I admit freely, I only got to watch parts of this game. Never claimed otherwise.
Fairly easily, actually. Suggesting that you could equate Bonners production with his +/- basically means 'You're doing it wrong'. Which is a fairly common Internet meme. Just google it. I'm sorry if you didn't like the picture. I'll post another one with former President Bush next time so you don't make stupid associations...
Sometimes I forget I'm dealing with re s like you here...
Then you don't understand how +/- is calculated. He could ride Manu's positive minutes and be sitting on the bench during Manu's negative minutes. Which is what happened tonight. So he can absolutely just add up positives from a single
player even though that player ends up with a not so positive night.
I do? News to me....
haha. I kid. But sometimes it really seems like it.
Yes, I know how +/- is calculated, and yes, what you say is possible. It's just not very probable that it was the only reason. Also, you're missing the broader point here. Is Bonner's +32 in a game where he only had 7 and 2 likely a fluke and an anomaly? Absolutely. Is the fact that he leads the Spurs in +/- and Net48 +/- this entire season, after doing it all of last season, a fluke and an anomaly? Statistically highly unlikely.
I have no problem with Matt. It's just that silly people keep on bringing up +/- like it's some sort of indicator of who played well out there, and if you actually watched the game you can see exactly why he got that number and it had very little
to do with him (Unlike the last Utah game where it had everything to do with him)
ah, busting out the "re s" already, and a quick bush bash to boot, boy your intellect surely can't be matched. I feel so much shame that I don't know what an internet meme is.
hilariously unsurprising that you are a Bush Hater BTW, true to form.
Would you say his contributions were ultimately positive tonight?
Ime Udoka had a adjusted +/- better than TD, TP and Manu for the entire season last year. Is that an anomaly? Highly likely.
You need to use the right stats to measure the right things: +/- is a good stat to measure lineup combos, not single players.
For most people reading your posts it's readily apparent that there's plenty of things you don't know.
I don't hate Bush, and I don't make the pictures. But if you have a sense of humor somewhere, you can't tell me this isn't funny:
Absolutely. However, he was nowhere near the best players on the court tonight (TD, Blair,Manu, RJ). And for somebody that didn't see the game, that +32 is as misleading as they come.
hmm, is that yet another generic, vague internet retort? it's fun to do that isn't it? call people you don't like re s, idiots, no-nothings, and use terms like most people, obvious, or apparent to support your non-existent points
see I have a sense of humor, while I may not find suicide or upside-down phones funny, I do find people like you funny
I certainly agree that on a single game basis, +/- by itself can be a very misleading stat, and should be taken with a grain (or 10) of salt. However, I think over the course of a longer period of time, it can be a very useful and telling stat, especially when paired with offensive/defensive numbers. For example, Ime's numbers last year show him to be an effective defensive player, probably moreso than most people here give him credit for. The reasons he gets such a bad rap at times is because he didn't turn into Bruce Bowen (unfair standard) and the fact that he completely fell off the map offensively (fair judgment, and ultimately the reason the Spurs moved on).
Of course, am I saying that Matt Bonner (or Ime Udoka) is more important to this team than TD, RJ, Manu, or Tony? Absolutely not. But I do think the stat sheds light on the idea that Matt is a lot more useful than people give him credit for. Ultimately, though, I can certainly agree to disagree, especially on a stat such as +/- that hasn't been kept long enough in the NBA to create useful historical examples, counter-examples, and analogs.
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