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Yeah, but still a lot of people are thinking we can get him by offering the Clippers nothing more than expiring contracts.
This move is probably a season breaker. If the Spurs somehow find a way to acquire Camby, then they have a shot. Without him, it's painfully obvious that they're once again too undersized and immobile in the paint. Still no true number two big man on the roster.
I like McDyess and subscribe to the theory of him being old, resting his knees in the summer and being a better 2nd half player because he plays his way into shape early in the season, but what the is this guy doing? The tenacity and intensity I used to see him play with I'm not seeing now. He looks old, slow, is completely ineffective defensively against anyone with a modi of athleticism/mobility, is rebounding mediocre and looks unsure of himself on offense.
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Camby for Bonner, Finley, Ratliff and Mahinmi works salary wise. The Clippers can easily waive the relatively paltry salaries of Ratliff, Mahinmi (or they could take a look at him through the remainder of the season) and even Finley if they so choose. Obviously, there's not enough value in this, which is why the Spurs would have to throw in their 1st round pick, which they should. That's not that bad for the Clippers, to still get the cap savings, but to also get a 1st round pick for a big more than likely out the door after this season. They're not going anywhere this year any way; at best they'll be competing for the 8th seed.
This would give the Spurs a much more clearly defined rotation than they currently have...
Starters: PF- Duncan, SF- Jefferson, C- Camby, SG- Bogans, PG- Parker
Bench (rotation): SG- Ginobili, PF- McDyess, PG/SG- Hill, SG/PG- Mason, PF- Blair
Bench (out of rotation): SG/SF- Hairston, PF- Haislip
A 13th player would need to be signed to comply with league rules.
Last edited by TD 21; 12-15-2009 at 11:41 PM.
Yeah, but still a lot of people are thinking we can get him by offering the Clippers nothing more than expiring contracts.
Again with the overrated Camby bull .
Last edited by EricB; 12-15-2009 at 11:57 PM.
Expirings + a 1st. Who's giving the Clippers a better offer than that? Out of the other teams attempting to contend for a championship, none have as gaping a hole or as pressing a need on the front line as the Spurs. Of the middling-worse teams, they don't need a 35 year old big man on an expiring contract who'd most likely leave them and sign with a contender in the off season. Is anyone giving up a blue chip prospect for him? I doubt it. No matter how fed up with Randolph they supposedly are, even the Warriors surely wouldn't be stupid enough to do that deal. If you're the Clippers and the Spurs offer this, how do you turn it down? A 1st round pick for a player almost assuredly gone after the season and keep in mind that the Clippers are going nowhere this year. So it's either lose Camby and get nothing (except cap space), or trade Camby and get a relatively valuable asset in addition to maintaining cap flexibility. It's a no-brainer, unless someone is desperate enough to offer a blue chipper.
Find a better, more realistic option to fill the gaping hole next to Duncan. When you consider those factors (expiring contract, so he wouldn't interfere with the Spurs bringing Splitter over next year), you can't come up with a better option.
Brendan Haywood.
He makes $6 million compared to Camby at $9.1 million, so the Spurs wouldn't have to unload as much depth to match salaries. But is Haywood better than Camby? At this point, he's in his class, but I wouldn't call him better. He's not quite plodding, but he's more of a plodder. Camby is a decent passer/mid-range shooter from the high post, so he'd play off Duncan better offensively because he has the skill to stay out of his way and still be effective.
The thing is though, the Wizards are trying to compete and unlike the Clippers, because the East is so bad they could still not only make the playoffs, but finish probably as high as 5th-6th if they really turned it around. I highly doubt they trade their one true big man, who's having a solid year, for essentially a late 1st (given their situation, unless they undergo a major rebuild, this is essentially useless, because they have a lot of young players already). Despite the Clippers protestations to the contrary, I actually think Camby will be more attainable. Maybe not right now, but by the deadline.
Keap dremin.....
Clipshow don't wont no spurs trash.
Sacrules is that you?
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Yup. Same here. He is what the doctor ordered. I was campaigning for him with u last year. We suck inside. Cough.
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Numbers don't lie dude. He's a beast.
What numbers? And do you realize that he would have been sitting in the bench watching Spurs small ball tonight and would not have made an inch of a difference?
Camby gives us length around the rim, and another bigman besides Duncan who can alter shots in the paint. As we have seen these last few games when Duncan steps out on pick n rolls there is no other shot blocker to intiminate shots.
Good to see you here, where there's more than 10 Spurs fans.
I wouldn't mind Camby, obviously, but I prefer Haywood due to his much better 1 on 1 ability to defend the post to add to his shot blocking ability..Camby's a better rebounder and he's still a good shot blocker, but he's an average 1 on 1 defender in the post due to his relatively skinny frame..
Haywood is much bigger and he's about 5 years younger..
I think they're both long shots, which is why I mention Haywood..the chance for him, like chieflion said earlier is that the Wizards are having a lot of in-house problems right now..Haywood has called them out for their D since he's pretty much the only Wizard that plays any defense..Arenas has called out other players, their team doesn't seem to get along..
it's obviously a long shot, but maybe we could get him if we involved a 3rd team or threw in a couple of picks + expirings + rights to Splitter..
Why would you throw in the rights to Splitter for an average center who's on an expiring contract (meaning he could walk and the Spurs would be left with nothing)? Unless it nets the Spurs a relatively young impact center that they could control at a reasonable cost for a few years, I'd refrain from including Splitter in any deal. The great thing about potentially acquiring Camby would be that he would be a bridge to Splitter's presumed 2010 arrival.
Haywood isn't an average C..he's a big 7 footer and he's putting up a double-double with 2+ blocks per game and he's one of the best 1 on 1 post defenders in the NBA..those types of players are very difficult to find..he's also never even played in a good system, always having to play with a bunch of no-D chuckers..
I'm not on the Splitter bandwagon, that's why..I know this team is going to wait for him next year, and he might not even end up coming over..so there's the chance he doesn't come and there's the chance that his game doesn't translate to the NBA..it's also another wasted year for Duncan's knees..there's too many variables with Splitter IMO, and if you can get a good piece for him, you do it IMO..
He's average. He's the only quality traditional big man on the roster and they're a sub-par defensive team, so of course he get's a solid number of rebounds and blocked shots. In reality, he's average or slightly above average. But think about it, how many starting centers are better than him? I know a lot of them are really power forwards, but quite a few are better than him. What I like about Camby is that he, like Duncan, is a combo C/PF, so they could easily swap defensive assignments depending on the match-up. Haywood is strictly a C; though I did see him do a nice job on Bosh earlier in the year. But that might have been an aberration.
Agreed. If it's the type of piece I described in my last post...not Haywood, or Camby.
Why do people think that everything will be solved if the Spurs make ANOTHER trade?
The problem to this point has been getting the right players on the court together at the right time...it's a work in progress. So, adding another new player to that equation only exacerbates the problem.
Spurs don't need Camby, Haywood or any other GD player not already on their team. They need the players they already have to start playing like a team.
We don't have the roster to compete for a le, that's why we want a trade..
It doesn't make you any less of a fan to admit it..a 2nd legit big is clearly a glaring need..
Camby isn't going to make RJ any less of a vagina. Sure, I'd like the move but I doubt it puts us over the top.
I'm not questioning the "fan-ness" of people wanting a trade....I'm questioning the logic.
This is the same team on paper that analysts across the country said would be in the thick of it come playoff time. Their issues ARE NOT with the level of talent on this team. The issues are with chemistry, plain and simple.
So even if the Spurs were to get another big man, you'd have to consider two things:
1) At what cost? Is it a net gain or loss in overall talent of the team?
2) How does adding that player at that time impact the chemistry the team had built to that point in the season?
I'm of the opinion that adding a player like Camby or Haywood at the sacrifice of Hill or Blair or even guys like Bonner & Mason (sad to say) would do more harm than good.
Again, I don't see the logic.
The Spurs DO have enough talent to compete for a championship and they DO have enough veteran savvy (players and coaches alike) to pull it all together in time.
Believe.
Camby won't help. The Spurs weakness is at point guard and shooting guard right now.
wow you think they wont let him be touched? theyre trying to dump him before he gets injured again
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