I think an improvement is the people's ability to elect the people in charge of their police, military, economy, etc. Furthermore, I doubt someone would stay in office if they starved their politicians while their political party stayed in luxury or mass murdering over a million citizens.
An improvement for America is Iraq is no longer a sanction for terrorists. Iraq no longer has a dictator in charge of a huge amount of the world's oil, in which the OPEC loses more of their pricing power. Iraq no longer has a dictator who funds suicide bombers, terrorists, marxist* regimes. Iraq no longer has a ruler who tries to assasinate american diplomatic officials.
WTF. There are more terraist in Iraq now than there were under Saddam
Temporary tactical gains as opposed to what? An eternal perfect world?
Maybe on paper and speeches. When Obama sworn in there were 135,000 troops in Iraq, nowadays there are more than 130,000.
Search for data about terrorist attacks and casualties pre and post-surge.
winehole is talking out of his ass with short term terminoloy. It is something he says to sound smart. The entire surge idea was for long term gains. Cleaning out all the terrorists hold points in baghdad and then having units there to hold it from terrorists coming back in. Starting from the center of baghdad and moving outward all the way to the north.
As opposed to the benchmarks for progress. You know, the strategic goals.
You can't very well demand other posters back up their claims if you do not deign to support your own.
You're not real big on reciprocity, are you?
He is giving you an answer to your question. You cannot just have information spoon fed to you. Common knowledge (first page of a google search) shouldn't be wasted in posts and should just be presumed known.
Civilian casualties and deaths from gunfire. Source: anti-war organization IraqBodyCount.
Those numbers are felicitous. What are the numbers for electricity and clean water? Safe schools? Displaced people?
Iraq faces sectarianism and secession. The governing power there is closer to Iran than at any time in recent history.
Tell me, mogrovejo, what did the US get for this wonderful war?
Goal post shifting.
Search for data about terrorist attacks and casualties pre and post-surge.
I don't care for those numbers by the way. As long as the situation is stable and acceptable in regards to safety and a withdrawn can't be seen as a military defeat, there's no rationale, from my point of view, to the presence of US military forces except residually.You can't very well demand other posters back up their claims if you do not deign to support your own.
Context, my man. It's one big war. We were talking about conditions in Iraq, right?
mogrovejo sets the bar much lower than Bush...
...and ends up resembling no one so much as Joe Biden.
The difference between my position and Biden's is that I'd found withdrawing from Iraq in the pre-surge situation a totally unacceptable decision that could lead to dire consequences.
McCain articulates this point very well vis-a-vis the Vietnam War.
In the past, you've had your differences. I can believe that.
You never know. There's worse things in the world than Saddam. He was bad but he was the reliable counterweight to Tehran. Now US forces are that counterweight in Iraq.
We'll hand Iraqis back their own country what, in 2011 at the earliest?
Really?
WH23 is not so sanguine.
http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/...for_iraq_chaosIraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki recently accused Syria of being responsible for the car bomb blasts which killed over 110 people, and injured hundreds more, in Baghdad on Tuesday. This is a repeat of the claims that he made following similar blasts in August and October, which also struck Iraqi government buildings in Baghdad.
Maliki raised eyebrows for previously pointing the finger at Syria, when the released evidence looked less than definitive.
So we let iran go to the radical fascist who run it to this day. Then to counter it, we have to allow a brutal dictator remain a nuclear power. The countering because we have a foreign policy. I have never read a post by you that writes positively about any kind of foreign policy that intervenes in anything.
The democrats said that weapons comiing from syria and iran are just the neocons way of going to war again. None of that is real wh. all war monger's march. Believing Petraus will take______. Oh I can't remember what H Clinton said. Ugh...to suspend belief. That's right.
Which dictator is this?
Nah. Iran isn't a danger any more. Obama solved that months ago when he made concessions to Russia and China.
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