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    The people of the USA hold all the power in Washington you dumbass


    OK, jack, explain the bank bailout the entire country hated then.

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    OK, jack, explain the bank bailout the entire country hated then.
    It will probably be explained in the 2010 elections - when many of those who supported it are tossed out. Many of those on Capitol Hill forgot WHO they work for - but they're getting reminders now and many of them will pay the price come re-election time.

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    It will probably be explained in the 2010 elections - when many of those who supported it are tossed out. Many of those on Capitol Hill forgot WHO they work for - but they're getting reminders now and many of them will pay the price come re-election time.
    I doubt it. It did no harm in 2008 when the bailout anger was at its peak.

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    OK, jack, explain the bank bailout the entire country hated then.
    I don't understand the question. I'm guessing.

    We had no choice to bailout the banks. I didn't hate it. I hate that they are giving themselves big ass bonuses without paying us back. I hate Obama is a hypocrite. Calling them "fat cats" only to spend a million dollars on date night with his wife or having concerts at the White House. Thats being a fat cat!

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    I don't understand the question. I'm guessing.

    We had no choice to bailout the banks. I didn't hate it. I hate that they are giving themselves big ass bonuses without paying us back. I hate Obama is a hypocrite. Calling them "fat cats" only to spend a million dollars on date night with his wife or having concerts at the White House. Thats being a fat cat!
    You said the American people are the ones in power. I pointed out we were almost universally against the bailout in an election year of all times, and it still passed easily.

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    You said the American people are the ones in power. I pointed out we were almost universally against the bailout in an election year of all times, and it still passed easily.
    I was shocked at how tone deaf it was, and how easily and so swiftly -- in Congressional terms, verdad? -- it passed.

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    Obama couldn't care less about health care. His only worry is to get re-elected.
    Do I think he cares? Yeah, Im sure he wants people to have health care.

    Do I think he's willing to fight for what he believes is right and risk his chances at a second term? No way.

    Do I think he's made it his top agenda because he thinks it will look the best on his resume when he asks for re-election? Absolutely.

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    We had no choice to bailout the banks.
    Why not?

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    You said the American people are the ones in power. I pointed out we were almost universally against the bailout in an election year of all times, and it still passed easily.
    I disagree. I was for the bailout and pretty much everyone I know was too. There was plenty of reasons why Obama won. He was not Bush or a Clinton. He was a democrat and was black. Perfect candidate for the that time. Oh brother has times changed! Now people want Bush back!

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    Both parties said our economy would crash!!
    Last edited by jack sommerset; 12-16-2009 at 07:03 PM.

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    the party said our economy would crash!!
    fify

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    Dan, are you talking about statehouses or US senators?

    If the latter, I have a followup: are you a betting man?
    I like a reasonable wager............ unfortunately, after the 2004 Presidential election I learned not to gamble on politics and the NBA.......


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    Anticipatory. Consciousness lags the technical recovery; it is not existentially convincing yet.

    If the US goes to war with Iran soon, it were rather a mirage
    2 things...Phases of the stimulus still haven't kicked in yet and temporary hiring is up pointing to new job creation in the future.....people will vote their wallet in 2010....nobody's gonna remember this health-care bill....that's why I'm with Dean...the Dems need to scrap this bill and start over again with a single-payer system the way it should be...

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    Dean is a ing clown..

    That ass-clown's 50-state strategy kicked GOP arse in 04 and 08...

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    God you are dumb. A President doesn't declare war - Congress is the only branch that has that authority. Everyone knows Bush could not do this without Congress approval.
    ...pfffff....in every phase that they can be wars, Iraq and Afghanistan are wars...

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    True. Kind of lame to still be blaming the opposition for the decisions made by this majority in the last 3 years and by this president in the last 12 months
    Nothing unreasonable about it.....Bush ed our country in every possible way it could be ed...and the do-nothing GOP Congress and Democratic Blue-dogs like Joe Lieberman and Nelson bent over and took it up the arse...

    ....you can't fix that overnight, especially not in 12 months...

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    ...pfffff....in every phase that they can be wars, Iraq and Afghanistan are wars...
    pss. Congress declared war. Bush decided how to fight it. Sort of like your boy Obama is doing now.

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    pss. Congress declared war. Bush decided how to fight it. Sort of like your boy Obama is doing now.
    Then those captured are war criminals right? Get a clue...

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    so Obama wasn't the cause. So are we not allowed to mention the cause of this current financial mess? The cause that happened prior to 12 months ago?
    the GOP wants to pretend like the Bush regime never happened....what 8 years of deficit spending? Bush raised the national debt by 5 trillion dollars? But...but Joe Paggs told me that was Obama.....

    ...pfff....pathetic...

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    This is no longer the GOP's economy in the voters' eyes; Obama owns it, fair or not. That Wall Street/Main Street dialectic is coming back to bite him in the ass, as one is doing fine and the other is struggling.
    Fair or not many companies who borrowed money have paid the money back...the GOP never did that.....

    ...also, people aren't voting their wallet today....they are voting their wallet in 2010..

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    Then those captured are war criminals right? Get a clue...
    They should be. Continue by all means......

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    Obama will sign ANY bill that comes to his desk.

    In essence, its the swing votes in the senate that have all the power. And theyre not elected by the entire nation. Instead of "checks and balances", we have presidents who will do whatever the party asks them to do.

    It's called a democracy for a reason...you 'hire' elected officials to make decisions for you...

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    As Politico's Craig Gordon noted about the president's health care maneuvering, "Time and again, [Obama] rebuffed Democrats' requests to speak up more forcefully about what he wanted -- a strategy that allowed Obama to preserve maximum flexibility to declare victory at the end of the process, no matter what the final bill looked like."
    ...this bill is a dog...it has been stripped of every 'health-care reform' it could be stripped of and become a bill co-writing by health-care industry lobbyist..the wing-nuts hates it because they are in the pockets of health-care lobbyists and ...progressives, who elected Obama, hate it because all consumer protections have been taken out......

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    Democrats have a veto-proof majority in Congress and a President that wouldn't dream of vetoing anyway -- and, still, they can't pass a bill they say everyone wants.

    Maybe, just maybe, Reid, Pelosi, and Obama don't really represent America. Ya think?

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    Do I think he cares? Yeah, Im sure he wants people to have health care.

    Do I think he's willing to fight for what he believes is right and risk his chances at a second term? No way.

    Do I think he's made it his top agenda because he thinks it will look the best on his resume when he asks for re-election? Absolutely.
    Obama is losing confidence with his Democratic base because of this bill since it's been stripped of single-payer and the govt. option...that doesn't bode well for someone who wants to be re-elected..

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