FRC: Comparing the Lifestyles of sexual Couples to Married Couples

[Duff McCartney]

It's easier for you to believe that we actually 'hate' people so that your rejection of my beliefs is justified... I understand.

When did I ever say you hate anyone? I'm simply stating that it's a gray worldview...you don't look down upon gays..yet you are "disgusted" by their lifestyle. That's the ultimate gray world view..because if it was clearly black and white, you'd look down upon them and be disgusted by them. There would be no middle ground..but there is.

It's like I said...you were talking about having a gray worldview, when your worldview is anything but black or white.

[FromWayDowntown]

Most heterosexual relationships also last only a fraction of the length of most marriages.

That was the obvious flaw in the numbers that occurred to me. The study doesn't try to compare those in committed sexual relationships to those in committed heterosexual relationships. Instead, it tries to compare those in sexual relationships, no matter the extent of the commitment, to fully-committed heterosexual relationships. If you expanded the world of heterosexual relationships considered by the study to include any heterosexual relationship -- not just marriages -- I suspect the same degree of promiscuity and non-commitment would be evident. But if one is trying to prove that most sexual relationships are essentially relationships without commitment, an easy way to do that statistically is to compare those relationships to heterosexual marriages.

[jack sommerset]

You just don't know when to stop. Attack attack attack.

Look friend I don't know where your nic came from but there's a jack sommerset who works at Tyson Foods in San Antonio with as bad as spelling as you.

So where do you work jack? Why won't you return my PMs? Lets settle this "B2B is a loser who doesn't make any money".

You are being a pussy. I am not going to meet you. I'm not going to you. I am not going to PM you. I'm not going to post personal information about me or share any with your dumbass. If you don't get any of that, I really can't help you there. This is the extent of our relationship, loser. You gots to live with that nagger.

You obviously are mad about your life. I hit a nerve. You are the dumbass that came in this thread and started your lameass bull on me. Your little sensitive cryass needs to remember these feelings you had today because you don't want to be this upset again with a stranger on the net. That my friend is the truth. You know it. You had a mini breakdown. You searched the net for a Jack Sommerset. That brought tears to my eyes. CLASSIC!!!!!

The holidays can be hard for some. I'm sure the trailer business is a tough racket this time of the year especially with the economy. I hope you could get your fake kids gifts. If not there are a few secret santas you can contact. I think you can work google.

I am done with this lameass conversation. Hopefully you can take your own advice. The floor is yours. Have at it.

[Phenomanul]

When did I ever say you hate anyone? I'm simply stating that it's a gray worldview...you don't look down upon gays..yet you are "disgusted" by their lifestyle. That's the ultimate gray world view..because if it was clearly black and white, you'd look down upon them and be disgusted by them. There would be no middle ground..but there is.

It's like I said...you were talking about having a gray worldview, when your worldview is anything but black or white.

Distinction... I said 'morally' gray... a world where anything was accepted without a standard that delineated what was 'right' or 'wrong'... 'good' or 'evil'... a standard that doesn't shift. The prevalent, and accelerated societal shift to embracing moral relativism is the dynamic that is leading us to that 'grayness'...

Suggesting that sexuality is wrong without hating the person only reflects the same standard that GOD subjects us to. We're all sinners and yet He still keeps loving us... He still extends His offer of grace (repeatedly even)... Ultimately however, unless we come before Him with the seal of His Son, we will be unable to enter His Holy presence. His standard of righteousness is unmovable and Just.

[spursncowboys]

That was the obvious flaw in the numbers that occurred to me. The study doesn't try to compare those in committed sexual relationships to those in committed heterosexual relationships. Instead, it tries to compare those in sexual relationships, no matter the extent of the commitment, to fully-committed heterosexual relationships. If you expanded the world of heterosexual relationships considered by the study to include any heterosexual relationship -- not just marriages -- I suspect the same degree of promiscuity and non-commitment would be evident. But if one is trying to prove that most sexual relationships are essentially relationships without commitment, an easy way to do that statistically is to compare those relationships to heterosexual marriages.

Gay activists often point to high divorce rates and claim that married couples fare little better than sexuals with regard to the duration of their relationships. The research, however, indicates that male sexual relationships last only a fraction of the length of most marriages.
Married Couples
· A 2001 National Center for Health Statistics study on marriage and divorce statistics reported that 66 percent of first marriages last ten years or longer, with fifty percent lasting twenty years or longer.[2]

Source: National Center for Health Statistics, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (2001)
· A 2002 U.S. Census Bureau study reported similar results, with 70.7 percent of women married between 1970 and 1974 reaching their tenth anniversary and 57.7 percent staying married for twenty years or longer.[3]

Source: Current Population Reports: U.S. Census Bureau (2002)
Male sexual Relationships
The 2003-2004 Gay/Lesbian Consumer Online Census surveyed the lifestyles of 7,862 sexuals. Of those involved in a "current relationship," only 15 percent describe their current relationship as having lasted twelve years or longer, with five percent lasting more than twenty years.[4] While this "snapshot in time" is not an absolute predictor of the length of sexual relationships, it does indicate that few sexual relationships achieve the longevity common in marriages.

Source: 2003-2004 Gay/Lesbian Consumer Online Census
· In The Sexual Organization of the City, University of Chicago sociologist Edward Laumann argues that "typical gay city inhabitants spend most of their adult lives in 'transactional' relationships, or short-term commitments of less than six months."[5]
· A study of sexual men in the Netherlands published in the journal AIDS found that the "duration of steady partnerships" was 1.5 years.[6]
· In his study of male sexuality in Western Sexuality: Practice and Precept in Past and Present Times, Pollak found that "few sexual relationships last longer than two years, with many men reporting hundreds of lifetime partners."[7]
· In Male and Female sexuality, Saghir and Robins found that the average male sexual live-in relationship lasts between two and three years.[8]

[spursncowboys]

You are being a pussy. I am not going to meet you. I'm not going to you. I am not going to PM you. I'm not going to post personal information about me or share any with your dumbass. If you don't get any of that, I really can't help you there. This is the extent of our relationship, loser. You gots to live with that nagger.

You obviously are mad about your life. I hit a nerve. You are the dumbass that came in this thread and started your lameass bull on me. Your little sensitive cryass needs to remember these feelings you had today because you don't want to be this upset again with a stranger on the net. That my friend is the truth. You know it. You had a mini breakdown. You searched the net for a Jack Sommerset. That brought tears to my eyes. CLASSIC!!!!!

The holidays can be hard for some. I'm sure the trailer business is a tough racket this time of the year especially with the economy. I hope you could get your fake kids gifts. If not there are a few secret santas you can contact. I think you can work google.

I am done with this lameass conversation. Hopefully you can take your own advice. The floor is yours. Have at it.

nagger...people who annoy you?

[MiamiHeat]

spursncowboys

they will cover their eyes and not look at the data you posted. They are caught up in being POLITICALLY CORRECT and 'feelin good' about themselves to stop and make a stand about something.

everything nowadays is " it" and let anyone do whatever they want. look at where it brought us.

[jack sommerset]

spursncowboys

they will cover their eyes and not look at the data you posted. They are caught up in being POLITICALLY CORRECT and 'feelin good' about themselves to stop and make a stand about something.

everything nowadays is " it" and let anyone do whatever they want. look at where it brought us.

That Havoc character is a classic example. He basically says the dumbest and when you call him out on it, he goes "you don't know what you are talking about" and goes sips some wine and watches Olbermann.

[FromWayDowntown]

Right. How long do heterosexual couples who don't get married stay together on the average. How long do ALL heterosexual couples stay together on average -- not just married couples, but all couples?

In other words, how many heterosexual couples that are dating, but not married, make it to their 10th or 20th anniversaries?

Compare the numbers for the sexual couples to that number -- not just married couples -- and you'll actually compare apples to apples. Otherwise, you might as well be comparing the standardized test scores of girls who are high school seniors to the scores on the same tests for boys from kindergarten through 12th grade.

[Cry Havoc]

Right. How long do heterosexual couples who don't get married stay together on the average. How long do ALL heterosexual couples stay together on average -- not just married couples, but all couples?

It's sad that you need to spell it out like this.

People should really take courses in statistics before attempting to argue statistical data.

[ChumpDumper]

So sexual couples should not be allowed to marry because when they aren't allowed to marry, their marriages don't last.

Superior logic.

[ChumpDumper]

Also from the study: couples who do not divorce tend to stay married.

[Phenomanul]

(As I stated earlier) I believe that the contextual discrepancy that governs the basis for comparison in the article/report is statistically relevant. There is an 'apples' vs. 'oranges' effect rooted in the simple clause CD posted above... the 'freely roaming society' effect B2B originally noted.

This doesn't mean that the data itself is statistically worthless, or doesn't reflect other truths even if the article itself doesn't expound them in that manner...

To me what stood out the most was the level of self-proclaimed promiscuity shared by many of those surveyed...

[PixelPusher]

To me what stood out the most was the level of self-proclaimed promiscuity shared by many of those surveyed...

Shocking that married couples don't admit to promiscuity.

[Phenomanul]

Shocking that married couples don't admit to promiscuity.

I understand the societal prevalence of extramarital affairs (even while I agree that the numbers are being downplayed by the report in the opening post)... Having said that, I don't see how that 'one-and-done' dynamic 'here and there' compares in magnitude to the staggering number of sexual partners stated by those in the surveyed sexual pool...

500 - 1000

[spursncowboys]

Right. How long do heterosexual couples who don't get married stay together on the average. How long do ALL heterosexual couples stay together on average -- not just married couples, but all couples?

In other words, how many heterosexual couples that are dating, but not married, make it to their 10th or 20th anniversaries?

Compare the numbers for the sexual couples to that number -- not just married couples -- and you'll actually compare apples to apples. Otherwise, you might as well be comparing the standardized test scores of girls who are high school seniors to the scores on the same tests for boys from kindergarten through 12th grade.

Oh I see. Well comparing really do not change the lack of long term relationshiips in sexual relationships. Most couples who are in a relationship will get married. So the data is pertanent. That data also has in it the culture of sexual relationships.

In The Sexual Organization of the City, University of Chicago sociologist Edward Laumann argues that "typical gay city inhabitants spend most of their adult lives in 'transactional' relationships, or short-term commitments of less than six months."[5]

Even in those sexual relationships in which the partners consider themselves to be in a committed relationship, the meaning of "committed" or "monogamous" typically means something radically different than in heterosexual marriage.

· In The Male Couple, authors David P. McWhirter and Andrew M. Mattison reported that, in a study of 156 males in sexual relationships lasting from one to thirty-seven years:
Only seven couples have a totally exclusive sexual relationship, and these men all have been together for less than five years. Stated another way, all couples with a relationship lasting more than five years have incorporated some provision for outside sexual activity in their relationships.[18]

These should stand on their own without data from a heterosexual coupling.

[PixelPusher]

Oh I see. Well comparing really do not change the lack of long term relationshiips in sexual relationships. Most couples who are in a relationship will get married. So the data is pertanent. That data also has in it the culture of sexual relationships.


These should stand on their own without data from a heterosexual coupling.

link?

[FromWayDowntown]

Oh I see. Well comparing really do not change the lack of long term relationshiips in sexual relationships. Most couples who are in a relationship will get married.

That would be shocking to me. I had at least 3 dating relationships that lasted more than a year but didn't result in marriage. Virtually all of my friends had at least one such relationship that did not result in marriage. I doubt that "most couples" in relationships actually end up getting married. If the number is 50%, I'd be surprised. That alone would cut your percentages in half.

So the data is pertanent. That data also has in it the culture of sexual relationships.

These should stand on their own without data from a heterosexual coupling.

The couples remain together, but they include others sexually. I'm not sure how that validates a point that sexual relationships don't last as long as heterosexual relationships.

In the first place, there's no data concerning the same activity among heterosexual relationships. Notwithstanding agreements to incorporate others, the same result obtains in heterosexual relationships in which one partner or the other engages in infidelity. And, undoubtedly, that happens with some frequency.

More importantly, though, you're wholly ignoring the fact that the couples in the study that you cite are still in their relationships. If the question is whether sexuals can maintain committed relationships for the same length of time that heterosexual married couples do -- again, an apples and oranges comparison -- the fact that they stay together would seem to cut against your argument; that they are sexually non-exclusive doesn't change that fact.

[Cry Havoc]

most couples who are in a relationship will get married.

o rly?

[spursncowboys]

I meant long term relationships.

[PixelPusher]

I meant long term relationships.

link?

[spursncowboys]

link?

your an idiot.

[PixelPusher]

[FromWayDowntown]

I meant long term relationships.

There you go again -- you're relying on statistics that deal with all sexual relationships (though I'll give you that you offered statistics - albeit those derived from an extremely limited study - that at least consider only long-term sexual relationships; curiously, you rely on that study for a tangential point) and then comparing those with statistics about heterosexuals in long-term relationships.

I can assure you of this much: you'll always get the result that you want if you skew the comparison so heavily in your favor.

[Winehole23]

Is it legal for same sex couples to get a divorce in Texas, yet?