Gasol not Kobe is the real MVP of the Lakers

[ChrisRichards]

When healthy, CP3 is better than Kobe, unless shooting/chucking 25 fg's and turning the ball over is your thing.


Dwight>Kobe because a big man will always be much more important than a scoring guard, especially if that big man is a 20/20 monster, a dpoy and is leading the league in rebounding.

melo is tearing it up lately, melo is underrated in comparison to kobe. he can score efficiently, has a sick jumper, better rebounder. you replace kobe with melo and the lakers wont miss a beat/

[BRHornet45]

BINGO

i think its pretty clear right now that Kobe is option 1A and Gasol is 1B. this is not Kobe's team anymore. if they win a le this year its under kobe and gasol, not Kobe and the Lakers.


headlines should be

Kobe and Gasol leads the Lakers into another le.

but son unfortunately the NBA and media don't give a damn about the truth. they are in it to sell tickets and merchandise. they have been pushing Kobe Bryant down our throats for 12+ years now. damn good player, but so far from "Great" it ain't even funny. his career field goal percentage alone is comical.

the NBA doesn't want to give Gasol the credit he deserves because well ... it just wouldn't look good for their marketing campaign for Kobe. but the truth is that without Gasol on the team, the Lakers are nothing more than a 2nd round knockout at best. Kobe has never led a team to a le and never will. he road the coat tails of Shaq and got 3 rings because of it. now he is a co-leader with Gasol along with an all star cast of talent surrounding them ... yet Kobe gets 100% of the credit from most of the media. its just downright ignorant and embarrassing how hard they try and push this guy to the top.

[21_Blessings]

Would Smush have gotten that contract from Miami if it wasn't for Kobe? Thought so. Kobe makes non-NBA players look serviceable.

[21_Blessings]

Mavs > Lakers w/o Gasol

Mavs > Lakers WITH Gasol.

62 > 61

[Ghazi]

Co-leader with Gasol? ... Kobe is the unquestionable leader... Gasol has no leadership ability whatsoever.

ALl star cast? How many All Star appearances do bynum/odom/artest have combined?

LMAO 121-63

[BRHornet45]

BR is so butthurt about the irrelevance of the Hornets 121-63

LOL this coming from a Mavericks fan? what exactly has your fun boy, joke of a franchise ever done but choke?

[Ghazi]

LOL this coming from a Mavericks fan? what exactly has your fun boy, joke of a franchise ever done but choke?

121-63

Mavs 19-7

Hornets 11-13

[ChrisRichards]

That's my point in all this.

We've "made up" the Laker players to be a great. In reality it's Kobe plus career under-achievers that only got their rep of great players from the last 2 years.

Look at all the guys on the Lakers, how many of them would have had you shakin' in your boots prior to 2008?

Gasoft
Odumb
Trevor Ariza - "He's delusional" Larry Brown
Ron Artest - "Powder Keg", Malice at the Palace, "Crazy Pills"
Fisher - maybe a 3rd/4th tier point guard?

Then you have the bench...would you ever had known these guys if they weren't Lakers?

Jordan Farmar
Sasha Vujacic
Shannon Brown
Luke Walton
Josh Powell
DJ mBenga

Dont you think that maybe its the system, coaching staff and Phil jackson himself that makes them all better? not kobe? think about it. phil and his staff designs the plays, he finds a players weakness and uses their strength in the triangle. i mean if kobe is so greeaaat at making his teammates better then why is sasha sucking? why is lamar odom sucking? why is derek fisher sucking?


come on guy, look at all the role players in chicago after they left the championship team, they became obscure and MIA. same with the lakers 3 peat team.


the coach and the system imo has more impact to a player's progression/digression than one particular player unless that player is magic johnson, cp3,john stockton,steve nash,jason kidd etc.


no shooting guard who chucks 23+ fg's is going to make his teammates better.

[iggypop123]

cant wait to hear about somebodys wife

[21_Blessings]

Gasol along with an all star cast of talent surrounding them ... .

Gasol has the same amount of All-Star appearances as David West and less than Peja.

[ChrisRichards]

Co-leader with Gasol? ... Kobe is the unquestionable leader... Gasol has no leadership ability whatsoever.

ALl star cast? How many All Star appearances do bynum/odom/artest have combined?

LMAO 121-63

Artest was an All Star (also a DPOY)

Bynum will be an All Star this year behind Amare

Gasol will be making his third trip in the All Star Game this year


check neg Ghazi

[BRHornet45]

121-63

Mavs 19-7

Hornets 11-13

Hornets record against the Mavericks over the last 2 years

November 4, 2009

2006 NBA finals

[Ghazi]

Artest was an All Star (also a DPOY)

Bynum will be an All Star this year behind Amare

Gasol will be making his third trip in the All Star Game this year


check neg Ghazi

Gasols an All star, every le team (save '06 Mavs) needs a 2nd star... okay.

Artest, what 1 time? He isn't an All Star right now.

Bynum? Yeah probably this year... but not "actually" All Star caliber... just a byproduct of a weak time in the league for centers.

[chubster]

son that is a dumb logic ... if that's the case then why not expose the other side as well?

Kobe before Shaq = nothing more than just another good, All Star player
Kobe as ONE of the role players with Shaq LEADING the team = 3 rings
Kobe after Shaq = same as the first
Kobe with Gasol as co-leader = another ring

son stop drinking the Kobe kool aid. He is good, but far from as "great" as some of you are lead to believe.

Yes, Kobe needs help...no one claims he can take Kwame Brown, Smush Parker, Lamar Odom and Luke Walton to win it all.

6th player off the bench? The great Brian Cook.

Can you think of a player who can lead that team to be a champion, while beating these teams along the way:
Suns (Nash/Amare/Marion/Barbosa)
Spurs (Duncan/Parker/Ginobili/Bowen)
Pistons (Ben/Rasheed/Billups/Price/Hamilton)
Rockets (Yao/T-mac/Battier/Scola)
Mavs (Dirk/Howard/Harris/Terry)
Nuggets (Carmelo/Iverson/Camby/Smith)

My mind is drawing blank here.

[BRHornet45]

lol its amazing to me how some people will go to and back for this ing rapist.

don't get me wrong, Kobe is DAMN good. easily one of the top 10 best players over the last decade.... but one of the best EVER? come on.

[chubster]

Artest was an All Star (also a DPOY)

Bynum will be an All Star this year behind Amare

Gasol will be making his third trip in the All Star Game this year


check neg Ghazi

Kobe makes his teammates better.

[Allanon]

Dont you think that maybe its the system, coaching staff and Phil jackson himself that makes them all better? not kobe? think about it. phil and his staff designs the plays, he finds a players weakness and uses their strength in the triangle.

Absolutely Phil deserves credit.

Here's what Kobe needed:

1) Phil Jackson taught him how to be a leader
2) Derek Fisher to teach him how to be a pro
3) A Center not named Kwame

The Pau Gasol trade wasn't what turned the Lakers into the #1 West team, they already were with Bynum, Phil and Fisher.

Kobe never needed Pau Gasol specifically; just a competent center.

Replace Pau Gasol with Marc Gasol and the Lakers today would still be overwhelming favorites.

[chubster]

lol its amazing to me how some people will go to and back for this ing rapist.

don't get me wrong, Kobe is DAMN good. easily one of the top 10 best players over the last decade.... but one of the best EVER? come on.

Don't bring rape into this. Let's talk basketball.
My previous question still stands.

[Culburn369]

Barkley said last night on TnT, that Kobe was close to Jordan...."in the backseat."

2 more rings, and he's gonna climb over the seat and shove Jordan right into the street.

[BRHornet45]

Barkley said last night on TnT, that Kobe was close to Jordan...."in the backseat."

2 more rings, and he's gonna climb over the seat and shove Jordan right into the street.

ROTFLMAO!!!!

sons that right there is exactly what I'm talking about. brainwashing by the media at its finest!

the facts and the stats! if ESPN tells me that Kobe Bryant is the best ever, then it must be true!!!!

[z0sa]

all the talking heads. TNT was okay at first, none of them give 20% of the coverage you should get. It's all about feasting on casual fan idiots who don't know better.

[ChrisRichards]

Kobe never needed Pau Gasol specifically; just a competent center.

Replace Pau Gasol with Marc Gasol and the Lakers today would still be overwhelming favorites.

Favorites? Dont think so, Gasol handled Dwight Howard quite well in the post. I dont think Mar Gasol can handle defending Shard Lewis at times and Dwight Howard inside. Marc does'nt even have Pau's offensive skillset.


Also, if a competent Center is all that Kobe needs, are you telling me the Lakers will win a le without Gasol? (Since Bynum IS a competent center)

[Allanon]

Favorites? Dont think so, Gasol handled Dwight Howard quite well in the post. I dont think Mar Gasol can handle defending Shard Lewis at times and Dwight Howard inside. Marc does'nt even have Pau's offensive skillset.

Marc Gasol is by far better defensively than Pau. Offense, Marc's a better shooter, Pau has better footwork. Marc will be a better player than Pau.

Marc Gasol this year is quick enough to guard Dirk. Pau and Marc would have problems with Shard but that's what Odom's for.

Also, if a competent Center is all that Kobe needs, are you telling me the Lakers will win a le without Gasol? (Since Bynum IS a competent center)

No. Bynum wasn't enough to get past the Celtics of 2008. Yes, he would be enough to beat them now.

Bynum + Marc Gasol would have run roughshod over the Celtics, Magic last year.

Lakers + Bynum 2009 = Favorites
Lakers + Bynum 2009 + Pau Gasol = Unfair
Lakers + Bynum 2009 + Marc Gasol = Unfair

[Brazil]

Since Gasol returned and for the moment gasol is the lakers number one. Now over a season and PO Kobe is THE lakers guy

[ChrisRichards]

Now ive heard it all MArc gasol>Pau Gasol according to Allanon