Gasol not Kobe is the real MVP of the Lakers

[hater]

Horse . They would still be the absolute favorites to come out of the West.

without Gasol???








good stuff

[Killakobe81]

0 wins - Gasol's Playoff wins in 6 seasons prior to Kobe.
30 wins - Gasol's Playoff wins after 1.5 seasons with Kobe

Gasol's reputation before Kobe - Gasoft
Gasol's reputation with Kobe - articles about the "true" MVP of the Lakers

Great post. And no this is NOT an indictment of Gasol in fact as great as he was against Bucks watch how bad he played on offense the night before ...
Gasol is better because of kobe he takes the pressure off ...but ANY offense (including LA's works better inside out) is better with an inside presence ...I dont disagree with that but to win ALL inside presence players need perimeter guys to free up the middle as well ...

[hater]

0 wins - Gasol's Playoff wins in 6 seasons prior to Kobe.
30 wins - Gasol's Playoff wins after 1.5 seasons with Kobe

Gasol's reputation before Kobe - Gasoft
Gasol's reputation with Kobe - articles about the "true" MVP of the Lakers

Put Kobe on the Griz and Gasol on the Lakers and it's a different story.

Gasol had no help in his career, while Kobe had Shaq, Showtime Lakers and some decent help in post Shaq era

[Allanon]

Put Kobe on the Griz and Gasol on the Lakers and it's a different story.

Gasol had no help in his career, while Kobe had Shaq, Showtime Lakers and some decent help in post Shaq era

ShaqKobe is a no brainer.

But even Smush Parker & Kwame Brown had a couple of Playoff wins where Pau never did in 6 years although he had plenty of chances to win just 1 Playoff game.

Gasol's 0 Playoff wins were even worse than T-Mac never getting out of the first round and earned him the dubious nickname of "Gasoft"

[djohn2oo8]

without Gasol???








good stuff

I know, some Laker fans forget that before Gasol, the Lakers would bend over and spread their cheeks while Steve Nash and company ran a train on their asses

[Culburn369]

I know, some Laker fans forget that before Gasol, the Lakers would bend over and spread their cheeks while Steve Nash and company ran a train on their asses

O & 41!

tee, hee.

[Killakobe81]

Dont you think that maybe its the system, coaching staff and Phil jackson himself that makes them all better? not kobe? think about it. phil and his staff designs the plays, he finds a players weakness and uses their strength in the triangle. i mean if kobe is so greeaaat at making his teammates better then why is sasha sucking? why is lamar odom sucking? why is derek fisher sucking?


come on guy, look at all the role players in chicago after they left the championship team, they became obscure and MIA. same with the lakers 3 peat team.


the coach and the system imo has more impact to a player's progression/digression than one particular player unless that player is magic johnson, cp3,john stockton,steve nash,jason kidd etc.

Dude YOUr smear campaign against Kobe is becoming so pathetic it's HILARIOUS at this point ...you and the Nick Cage Heat looking guy and BR Hornet have some issue with Kobe and need to seek counseling.
Let me play Dr.Phil? Is it because Dwade (or CP3 or insert favorute player here) is your all-time hero and you wish he had the place in the game that Kobe occupies now? Because Kobe stole his (their) Olympic glory by making the clutchest of shots? Or was the last game winner more than you insecure fans can handle? WADE (and CP3) is great ...all of the Kobe accolades DOES NOT diminish Wade (read that again in case you dont unsersatnd it the first time) The thing that is funny in his one le season or even last year Wade chucked over 23 shots on more than one occasion DOES that mean he DID NOT make his teamamtes better?

Some of you on here know dyck about basketball ...and just because CP3 dribbles the ball all the time and has high assists doesnt mean he makes teammates so much better ... holdingthe ball to only get assists off pnr all day still means guys are sitting watching 2 players ...in fact there was an article posted on ESPN saying the Hornets players would develop more if their system wasnt predicated on CP3 creating ALL of the offense and that they played better when he was out....I don't agree with that completely but a case can be made. That is why i think Dwill is better (and Nash) because they dont need the ball to be effective but Paul does ...and to be honest to some extent Kobe does too ...BUt he makes his teammates better with being an example attracting attention, and work ethic and competive spirit Wade and CP3 have thsese as well but Gasol as good as he is doesnt have it on that level ...

Many guys from the "REdeem team" credit Kobe's work ethic, willingness to guurd the best opposing player and dedication to improving their games ...
(not CPR or Dwill) they all gave props to Kobe ...but you losers can't give him credit ...but it's ok I wonder whom Kobe really cares about his peers or the haters? Yall just feed him feul ...and when he daggers your team (well maybe not the heat cuz they won't be in the FINALS) for more les


no shooting guard who chucks 23+ fg's is going to make his teammates better.

EXCEPT wade right? LOL

[Killakobe81]

Replace Kobe with Pierce and the Lakers are still contenders, same with Brandon Roy,Melo and Joe Johnson. Iguodala, I dont think so because he does'nt have a consistent jumper to make it work ni the triangle.


So, Allanon, If you'll accept the fact that those perimeter players can still make the Lakers the favorites then I wont have any problems accepting Marc replacing Pau would also make them the favorites.

Contenders yes champs ...no. Melo and Pierce i would say example works Roy and Joe J are good but not HOF'ers ...

[Killakobe81]

Artest was an All Star (also a DPOY)

Bynum will be an All Star this year behind Amare

Gasol will be making his third trip in the All Star Game this year


check neg Ghazi

Dude YOUr smear campaign against Kobe is becoming so pathetic it's HILARIOUS at this point ...you and the Nick Cage Heat looking guy and BR Hornet have some issue with Kobe and need to seek counseling.
Let me play Dr.Phil? Is it because Dwade (or CP3 or insert favorute player here) is your all-time hero and you wish he had the place in the game that Kobe occupies now? Because Kobe stole his (their) Olympic glory by making the clutchest of shots? Or was the last game winner more than you insecure fans can handle? WADE (and CP3) is great ...all of the Kobe accolades DOES NOT diminish Wade (read that again in case you dont unsersatnd it the first time) The thing that is funny in his one le season or even last year Wade chucked over 23 shots on more than one occasion DOES that mean he DID NOT make his teamamtes better?

Some of you on here know dyck about basketball ...and just because CP3 dribbles the ball all the time and has high assists doesnt mean he makes teammates so much better ... holdingthe ball to only get assists off pnr all day still means guys are sitting watching 2 players ...in fact there was an article posted on ESPN saying the Hornets players would develop more if their system wasnt predicated on CP3 creating ALL of the offense and that they played better when he was out....I don't agree with that completely but a case can be made. That is why i think Dwill is better (and Nash) because they dont need the ball to be effective but Paul does ...and to be honest to some extent Kobe does too ...BUt he makes his teammates better with being an example attracting attention, and work ethic and competive spirit Wade and CP3 have thsese as well but Gasol as good as he is doesnt have it on that level ...

Many guys from the "REdeem team" credit Kobe's work ethic, willingness to guurd the best opposing player and dedication to improving their games ...
(not CPR or Dwill) they all gave props to Kobe ...but you losers can't give him credit ...but it's ok I wonder whom Kobe really cares about his peers or the haters? Yall just feed him feul ...and when he daggers your team (well maybe not the heat cuz they won't be in the FINALS) for more les


no shooting guard who chucks 23+ fg's is going to make his teammates better ...EXCEPT DWADE!

[Allanon]

Kobe haters would rather die than credit Kobe as an MVP of a team. These used to be the rave reviews about Gasoft before this "real MVP" talk.

Gasol is more like Gasoft in the playoffs. No wonder wonder he has not won a playoff game until he arrived in LA.

Gasol is Duncan's . Thought the Lakers got the memo before they acquired him.

if only gasoft could play defense, his softness is not helping odom or radmanovic or fisher get any harder...

i did take bonner over gasoft to park in the paint.

Gasol is soft ( , go to your own forum and read Gasoft left and right), and has been constantly owned by Duncan. He's a finesse player. He's not a banger. And he doesn't know how to 'man up'.

Nowitzki was right.

Gasol is a piece of

Pau Gasol is big Charmin Bear.

Gasol is a bag. One of the last people i want to see win a ring. Luckily the Spurs will own the Lakers in the rest of the series

Prior to this year, his playoff record was 0-12. Think about that. Zero and twelve. I don't care who your teammates are, if you supposed to be an elite player you don't lose twelve playoff games in a row to ANYBODY. Says something about his mental makeup.

If the Spurs come back and win this series, the emotional weakness of Gasol and Odom, two guys with first-team talent but fourth-team hearts, will play a big role.

[iggypop123]

I know, some Laker fans forget that before Gasol, the Lakers would bend over and spread their cheeks while Steve Nash and company ran a train on their asses

the lakers destroyed the suns on christmas and bynum had 28 and 12.

[UrAphag]

All the trolls are going all out tonight eh? It's funny to me how everyone will give gasol the credit for the ring last year, but when they lost against the celtics, it was because of kobe.

[Mavs_man_41]

All the trolls are going all out tonight eh? It's funny to me how everyone will give gasol the credit for the ring last year, but when they lost against the celtics, it was because of kobe.

that's because gasol was still getting used to the system. duh

[TheMACHINE]

lol..gasol was a noboy before he showed up to the lakers..now he is the reason they won the championship. HAHAH...idiots.

[Mavs_man_41]

lol..gasol was a noboy before he showed up to the lakers..now he is the reason they won the championship. HAHAH...idiots.

the lakers were a nobody team before he showed up, getting owned by the suns annually, now they win IN SPITE of him?

[Venti Quattro]

the lakers were a nobody team before he showed up, getting owned by the suns annually, now they win IN SPITE of him?

Three years the suns were semi-good and you make it look like it's been a long long time.

Mavs + Suns < Gasol

bwaahahaha

[Greg Oden]

Three years the suns were semi-good and you make it look like it's been a long long time.

Mavs + Suns < Gasol

bwaahahaha

great post!

[Mavs_man_41]

Three years the suns were semi-good and you make it look like it's been a long long time.

ok? my only point was that kobe can't ring sans gasol

[Venti Quattro]

ok? my only point was that kobe can't ring sans gasol

Gasol can't win without Kobe

Kobe can't win without Fisher

Kobe can't win without Phil

Kobe can't win without Winter

Kobe can't win without Vitti

Bla bla bla bla bla

Professional basketball is a team sport so you never see teams with a one-man army win championship/s unless you're playing a 1 on 1 tournament.

[MiamiHeat]

Kobe can't win without All-Star big men.

[Venti Quattro]

Kobe can't win without All-Star big men.

So can Magic not.

So can Jerry West not.

So can Parker not.

So can Pierce and Allen not.

It isn't rocket science that most championship teams (except for Jordan's champ teams) needed great and skilled big men to go over the hump.

Cry me a river.

[Mavs_man_41]

So can Magic not.

So can Jerry West not.

So can Parker not.

So can Pierce and Allen not.

It isn't rocket science that most championship teams (except for Jordan's champ teams) needed great and skilled big men to go over the hump.

Cry me a river.

my only point was that the lakers sucked before gasol

[Venti Quattro]

my only point was that the lakers sucked before gasol

14 championships before Gasol.

9 if you're a Celtic purist that believes that the les of MPLS shouldn't be carried over to LA.

Maybe you can set a specific timeline like 4 years before Gasol fell into the lap of Kobe Bryant.

[Mavs_man_41]

14 championships before Gasol.

9 if you're a Celtic purist that believes that the les of MPLS shouldn't be carried over to LA.

Maybe you can set a specific timeline like 4 years before Gasol fell into the lap of Kobe Bryant.

the lakers sucked in modern day nba before gasol came along. fact

[Venti Quattro]

the lakers sucked in modern day nba before gasol came along. fact

Point taken; they did