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Then, you'll have health care rationing with "death panels" deciding who gets treated and what treatments are available.
Health care for everyone cannot be fiscally supported by the 50% of us who pay taxes. It just can't be done.
Now, as far as Krugman, whenever he sponsors something, the first thing I suspect is that he's going to be making money out of it somewhere. I wonder where that is in this case.
Then, you'll have health care rationing with "death panels" deciding who gets treated and what treatments are available.
Health care for everyone cannot be fiscally supported by the 50% of us who pay taxes. It just can't be done.
We have health care rationing now, with the death panels ran by corporations.
So that part certainly does not scare me.
Opinion, and most likely not true. There's copious amount of evidence to the contrary by pretty much the rest of the planet.
It's just a matter of will. Just as we have a will to overspend in anything military, we have to have a will to spend on the health of this nation.
Unfortunately that's easier said than done.
No you don't. You obviously don't know what is rationing.
That's why Medicare is solvent, right?
I'm pretty sure I do. But go ahead and tell you your version of it.
It's not about solvency at all. That's like asking, is our Military solvent?
The litmus test is wether you're getting the service you're paying for.
If, on top of that, you can manage the service to be self-suficient (like the post office has been for many years), then great. But it's definitely not a prerequisite.
As it stands now, you can pretty much receive any treatment required for your illness. On demand -- even if you're indigent. Will you go into debt if your illness is serious? Probably. But, that's your choice.
Under Obamacare, their will only be so much care to go around. It won't matter who you are, if the Oncologist is booked through March 17, 2013, you're screwed. , they've already started with telling women they should forgo mammograms until 50 when it's an established fact that mammograms in the 40's has detected many cancers and saved countless lives.
National Defense is a cons utional obligation of the government and the use of our defense is largely dependent on the unanticipated actions of other nations.
Your Health is your business. You have no cons utional right to health care. If you do, I want the cons utional right to make you quit smoking and engaging in behaviors that will cost me money.
Who's paying?
The Post Office?
You still think there is public health care in this bill?
I still think we end up with a Single Payer system if this bill is enacted. Yes.
Private insurance companies will not be able to survive under the mandates currently in this legislation. I certainly won't be able to afford the premiums that will be required for insurance companies to offset the costs of having to cover people with pre-existing conditions and having to provide coverage for certain treatments. Neither will you.
The authors of this legislation know that.
It's not an inevitability. Only an idiot thinks in such terms.
Okay, you explain to me how the insurance companies survive this.
If you could buy fire insurance after your house is burning, wouldn't you wait and see if it ever catches fire? And, if only those people whose houses caught fire ever bought fire insurance, how would the insurance companies ever survive?
Same with health care. If this bill is enacted, I'm dropping my insurance until I get sick. Then, if and when I do, I'll step up to Blue Cross and Blue Shield and say, I'm sick, insure me. They start paying doctors on day one. I pay a premium -- probably a lot bigger than the $400 a month I'm paying now but, hey, I've not been paying up to that point.
Tell me how the companies survive that business model.
Tell me, Yoni -- are there health care systems in the world other than the US system and single-payer systems?
Yes or no.
If there is a mandate to have insurance, how can you not have insurance?
You simply don't know what you are talking about.
We're talking about this piece of legislation. You can answer my question or ignore me but, I'm not running down your rabbit holes.
So, you tell me, how does the American private insurance industry survive this legislation?
You were not.
By paying a $750 tax annually, for not having insurance. That's still cheaper than the premiums that would be required to support such a system.
No, I do.
You're going to pay that for every member of your family?
Yeah, I was. I was talking about how this legislation will kill the private insurance industry and result in a single-payer system.
Even if I did, it would be cheaper than the premiums for insurance. It'd be about a hundred dollars cheaper, per month and that's before the private insurance premiums start skyrocketing due to Obamacare.
Then increase the penalty.
That was easy.
They tried that -- it was up to $3000.00 at one point, I think -- but, got shouted down by their own party. I think they're threatening to throw me in jail if I don't buy insurance now.
But, my question to you is how does the private insurance industry survive this health care reform as it is currently being proposed?
Then do it again. Throwing you in jail sounds like a great idea.
It will not be the last legislation ever passed on health care.But, my question to you is how does the private insurance industry survive this health care reform as it is currently being proposed?
There will be no apocalypse.
You're talking to the wrong person. I don't want this legislation at all.
That's a non-answer. How will the private insurance industry survive this legislation as currently proposed?
Tough . I'm saying the issues of mandates and penalties can be addressed again and again and again.
It's the answer you refuse to hear because you want it to be an apocalypse. I understand.That's a non-answer.
Exactly my point. The authors and supporters of this legislation think, tough for the insurance companies. And, that's how we end up with a single payer system.
No, saying...
...to the question, "How will the insurance companies survive this legislation as currently proposed?" is a non-answer.
If the authors of this legislation are saying "tough " to the insurance companies, how big of a hurry do you think they'll be in to follow up with legislation that will save the industry?
You're right about one thing, this won't be the last legislation ever passed on health care...
Nah. They will be well taken care of.
It's the answer you don't want to hear.No, saying...
...to the question, "How will the insurance companies survive this legislation as currently proposed?" is a non-answer.
As soon as the Republicans get back in power, if nothing else. Otherwise, as soon as the insurance companies buy enough votes from Democrats. It's not rocket science.If the authors of this legislation are saying "tough " to the insurance companies, how big of a hurry do you think they'll be in to follow up with legislation that will save the industry?
So relax. There is no apocalypse.You're right about one thing, this won't be the last legislation ever passed on health care...
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