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Doesnt Timmy have the ability to hit an outside Shot at a good rate just as much as paul or KG? Yet Paul plays with Bynum just fine. Timmy imo can spread the floor just as much if not more then a 3pt shooting big ever could.
So does spacing only apply to the center and power forward positions and not have anything to do with those who surround those positions; spacing-in-a-vacuum?
Doesnt Timmy have the ability to hit an outside Shot at a good rate just as much as paul or KG? Yet Paul plays with Bynum just fine. Timmy imo can spread the floor just as much if not more then a 3pt shooting big ever could.
I know, I meant what did you mean by the comment. Do you not agree with the spacing philosophy? Horry has been mentioned, but to make a point about it not being simple "3-point" shooting, I am mentioning teams that have won les with guys who have the ability to space the floor with their shooting such as Pau, KG, Wallace,...
I do agree with the spacing argument; that's why I mentioned where Robinson and Rasho usually set up.
Once again, I said it is not about 3-point shooting. You keep going back to that presumably because of Bonner. That just so happens to be Bonner's game and range. But the Spurs like Dice, even though he does not shoot 3's because he has a reliable mid-range game amongst other things.
I agree you don't need a 3-PT shooter (from a big man perspective) to win, but it certainly helps offensive spacing when you have 2 bigs and one can spread the floor.
I find it hilarious you really think those guys are shooters... I mean, ALL of those guys operate within 10 feet of the basket. At least they all did when they won it all. Will they take a long shot here and there? Sure, just like TD does. But that's very far from their bread and butter, which is to backup their man inside the paint and finish.
Yes, but unlike the other bigs on the Spurs, Tim also plays down low. His shooting from 15-20 feet has become more prevalent in recent years.
This was easily solvable when we had Rasho and Nazr by simply calling the play and making sure players executed.
And, BTW. When we had Rasho/Nazr/Oberto/DRob, they all played weak side under the basket on 4-down. Plenty of spacing for Duncan to operate looks like. And they all could go for a putback.
http://www.nba.com/hotspots/
KG took way more shots outside the paint than he did in it.
Pau has taken a ton of shots at the rim, but that is more because of who he plays with. Still, point remains that if he did not have the ability to spread out, his game and the team would suffer.
So are you just comparing these guys with Bonner? Or do you disagree you need a big (whether or not he shoots 3's) to space the floor?
Rasho definitely played above the free throw line during that play. Playing under the basket would pretty much guarantee a two-big double team on Duncan.
Exactly why I think spurs should give up trying to find a 3pt outside shooting Big and go with a defencive one. KG and Paul can shoot outside yes but they also post down low, but the still manage to be able to do this just fine with a low post only player such as Bynum and Perkens.
You yourself were using these players as an example. If Paul can spread the floor and still do his low post thing even alongside of a lowpost player then so can Tim.
Where do you find these players that can do what KG/Pau/Wallace...do? Just because Bonner cannot post up effectively does not mean that his abilities aren't helpful. He shoots the 3 at an extremely high percentage and that is the best thing in basketball offensively.
Come again?
Bynum?
Of course, usually that is done as a high pick for Parker or Manu. If you are really arguing that Duncan needs to turn into DRob circa 1999, then who is going to be Duncan from that time?
I disagree that Tim requires a jump shooter big next to him in order to be able to operate in the paint, something that overused these days.
I further argue that is a detriment to the team to have a guy cannot rebound and defend inside the paint at a good rate.
What player can we find? How about a player named TD?
The 3 pointer is not the most effective thing in offense. The 3pt shoot is actually the lowest % shot to take in the game.
Did you not look at the chart? He shot just as much from outside as inside.
Come again?
KobeBynum?
True. I'm thinking Oberto and Nazr. Oberto being the one recipient of many bunnies when the two bigs doubled.
Once again, if you take Duncan out, who goes in? Who takes Tim's place?
I did not say the 3-pointer is the most effective thing. I said that having someone who shoots the three at a very high rate is the most effective and efficient thing in offense.
279 > 158
Come again?
Odom, if we are talking about big men.Bynum?
Not that many. I also do remember Nazr's parking in the key and at least trying to catapult in jumpers from there. Of course, Malik sat out there a lot too.
You don't see what is KG's bread and butter in that chart? We already argued that he will take the occasional long shot.
We're talking big man spacing here. If you want to move the goalposts, then we can do that too.
Just becuase it's something Tim is used to does not mean he can't do it without. IMO Tim's game such as KG and Paul as an example would be just fine even if there is not a 3pt or an outside threat shooting big with him to spread the floor. Since Tim spreads the floor better himself then anyone else on this team.
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