That you think they are doesn't mean that they do.
We're inundated with Laker fans these days. And the fact they try to keep pushing this re ed comparisons is what is bringing up these threads.
Jordan was dominating at this age. He already won 3 dominating the entire league. Kobe is probably the best player in the NBA right now, but you could only say that about a season or two ago, when Gasol came around. And he still nowhere near as dominant as Jordan was.
You don't need to apologize. After all, Kobe is earning Phil his juicy paychecks today, not Jordan. And I'd love to see the stats you refer to.
Yeah, but Mile is the GOAT, so he can do that
But I remember during the 96-97 season, Kerr had the ball but had no space to operate, the shot clock was winding down, and Jordan ran cross court to set a screen that allowed Kerr to drive for a layup
That wasn't a set play, and I like his sense of initiative
Jordan is not even the GOAT.
It's either Russell or Kareem. Please.
Eventually, Kobe will surpass Jordan. Take off your homer goggles for once. Kobe will be playing more years then Jordan, and it will be inevitable. It's just natural that for sometime a great one will be overtaken by a greater one.
That's the funny thing right there. Back then, the comparison would be shut down after the first thread. Now there is actually a comparison because the Jordan supporters are actually making it into a comparison.
The keyword is still. Jordan was still dominant at age 37. If Kobe keeps this up, he would have been dominant for almost 10 years. Time will tell.Jordan was dominating at this age. He already won 3 dominating the entire league. Kobe is probably the best player in the NBA right now, but you could only say that about a season or two ago, when Gasol came around. And he still nowhere near as dominant as Jordan was.
Phil has never been one to put Kobe above Jordan; but he's changing, just as this comparison has changed from laughable to pulling out the stats to compareYou don't need to apologize. After all, Kobe is earning Phil his juicy paychecks today, not Jordan. And I'd love to see the stats you refer to.
And since you asked for the stats to compare, Kobe has more buzzer beaters than Jordan and still 5 more years to add to his total. Jordan has 25, Kobe has now reached 28.
What? Kobe has been the best player in the league for 1 or 2 years, tops.
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He scored 81 in 2005/2006.
Kobe was the only player to ever outscore an entire team through 3 quarters that same season 62-61.
And? He was not dominating.
Duncan won a championship in 2005.
Steve Nash was the league MVP.
We were talking about the best player, not the best winner.
You include Jordan's non championship years in his dominance, but you take that away from Kobe?
Kobe has clearly been dominating since that 81 point game in the 2005 season.
Who said I include Jordan non-championship years in his dominance?
I actually don't.
I mean, Lebron set this record in 2005:
Youngest player to record a triple-double (20 years, 20 days).[3]
Recorded 27 points, 11 rebounds, and 10 assists on January 19, 2005 vs. Portland Trail Blazers.
Was he the most dominant NBA player in 2005 because he set a new record in a single game? This is how re ed the points brought up in this conversation are.
Ok fair enough. Jordan was dominant in 6 years. Kobe has 4 with a good 5 years left to be dominant and win championships.
This 925489th Jordan/Kobe thread sucks
FIFY. We can resume this conversation when Kobe wins his 6th NBA Finals MVP and his 5th NBA MVP trophy. That would be no less than 4 1/2 seasons from now, if my math is correct.
Winning championships (Kobe has 4) isn't enough?
Awards? How many Finals MVPs does Bill Russell have and how many rings?
I blame bored lakerfans...
You're comparing Kobe to Jordan, not Russell. Please stay on topic.Winning championships (Kobe has 4) isn't enough?
Awards? How many Finals MVPs does Bill Russell have?
Are you aware that the Finals MVP trophy is called the 'Bill Russell NBA Finals Most Valuable Player Award' and started to be awarded in 1969?
Are you aware that Bill Russell never even got 1 Finals MVP?
Really?Are you aware that Bill Russell never even got 1 Finals MVP?
He could have only received the 1969 one, since that's when they started with the Finals MVP award... Instead they handed it to Jerry West as consolation prize. First and only time that the NBA Finals MVP went to a player of a losing team.Are you aware that Bill Russell never even got 1 Finals MVP?
The logo was on shady business back then already...
Jerry West - 1 Finals MVPHe could have only received the 1969 one, since that's when they started with it... Instead they handed it to Jerry West as consolation prize. First and only time that the NBA Finals MVP went to a player of a losing team.
The logo was on shady business back then already...
Bill Russell - 0 Finals MVP
Obviously, these awards are flawed and don't really mean much.
Actually, as far as the way they've been awarded in the Jordan/Kobe era, which is what we're discussing, they reflect pretty well who the best and most dominant player on the team that received it was.
Perhaps the only exceptions since 1990 being Chauncey Billups and Tony Parker.
Bored and insecure
Except that the man with the most rings ever never even got one...even in a Championship year.
That's flawed.
It's not flawed at all... In 11 seasons he could only have received it once, in the twilight of his career. He didn't get it. Much like Duncan didn't get it in 2007.
That doesn't mean Bill didn't deserve it on the other 10 seasons. They just were not handing it out.
I am glad, however, that you agree with me that since 1990 the award is pretty indicative of who was the most dominant player on their respective team.
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