Why LeBron James is better than Kobe Bryant

[MiamiHeat]

how is he on my mind, this is a basketball forum of course we're going to talk about basketball


idiot

you are obsessed with me, haha.

I got a fan on the internet!!!!!!!!!!!! i am awesome

you know you aren't the first though right? I've had internet stalkers before you chrisrichards

[MiamiHeat]

LOL




MIAMIHEAT FORGOT TO LOG OUT OF HIS CHRIS RICHARDS ACCOUNT

how about I go get Kori to come post and tell us if I am Chrisrichards?

[MiamiHeat]

Kobe is a great great player, one of the best offensive weapons in the NBA while he played, and a very good defender (for 30 seconds at a time, no more than 3 times a game).

However, Kobe has shown a kryptonite-like weakness to his game: Phil Jackson. Kobe is ineffective as a player when Phil doesn't coach. Not that he can't score, or can't win regular season games, most of the time, but he can't put things 'together' without him, at least not yet.

LeBron has had his own issues with coaches (Snow getting rid of Sials? Yeah right...), But he has at least been able to cary his team into the playoffs and advance fairly far. Now his Finals run was a bit fraudulent (a paper thin injured Wiz, mentally unstable Pistons, etc.) but he was fighting his coach the whole way, as he does to this day.

That is pretty amazing.

yup.

It's quite obvious LeBron is the best.

[jacobdrj]

(Wins/Losses)/('Coach Strength'*'Teammate Strength')

[ginobili's bald spot]

how about I go get Kori to come post and tell us if I am Chrisrichards?

Lets see... You both post about the same thing. You are both HeatFans. And he responds to posts directed at you as if they were directed at him. And you went back and edited the post after I caught you.

And to the post you edited... yes this is a basketball forum idiot. And Kobe is the ONLY basketball player you obsess over. So much that you even made another account to obsess over him with so that it would seem less obvious. He's on your mind all the time. It's funny how you feel the need to obsess about how NOT good someone supposedly is. If that were true then you wouldn't dedicate your life to posting about it and there wouldn't be 50 threads about him on the front page of the NBA forum. People who are actually overrated hardly get talked about in here (sup Wade)

[MiamiHeat]

He's trolling me because he's also a Laker fan like you. He's doing that on purpose. it's not hard, create another account, talk about the same , and then reply to posts direct at ginobili and say "woops,forgot to change accounts"

you got owned by him, is all I will say on that. He fooled you

[MiamiHeat]

and I notice Laker fans have no response to the facts presented.

Kobe isn't even the best player in the NBA today. LeBron James is.

[Banzai]

[MiamiHeat]

NBA Commissioner David Stern will be on The $ports Take with Rick Horrow (on Versus) on Tuesday, Oct. 27. Stern was asked about LeBron James, and this is some of what he had to say:

He may be the best player ever to have played. Michael might dispute that, but he has a lot of canvas yet on which to paint. I have no doubt the picture is going to be beautiful.

You know, he hasn’t won anything yet but he may be the best player ever to descend to this planet. It’s a delight to watch him; it’s a delight to watch him grow, to see his width and breadth, in terms of his interest and capacities. He’s a great kid and a great player.

[Culburn369]

Kobe looks uncomfortable mentally.

James looks uncomfortable physically.

[MiamiHeat]

Reigning MVP.

[LakasRool4eva]

loling @ da hataz........ i didnt read any of it but u would have to be a blind homer to say Ledork is da best.............

[23LeBronJames23]

Only if LeBron would have had a better team and thought twice before he did some things, then he would had atleast 1 championship ring for sure..

all the stats prove LeBron is better except for that Kobe has 4 rings & Lebron has 0.

[Findog]

This message wasn't read because MiamiHeat is on your dumb- list.

Go heat up a pizza and cry, you assbag.

[Findog]

loling @ da hataz........ i didnt read any of it but u would have to be a blind homer to say Ledork is da best.............

Okay, whoever this is, good troll. It took me a few posts before I caught on. Great parody of a Laker fan.

[Culburn369]

Kobe has it all figured out.

James hasn't a clue.

[MiamiHeat]

Yeah, Kobe has "I demand a trade, wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"

until management steals Gasol and Fisher to stack his team.

then suddenly, kobe has it figured out.

[JoeTait75]

If 18-year old Kobe Bryant walked into the exact same thing as 18-year old LeBron James walked into: a Cavaliers team that had lost 50-plus games four seasons in a row and had finished with the worst record in the NBA the year before...

Instead of the best and most prestigious organization in the sport, and one that was all loaded up for another big run with the league's most dominant big man...

Do you think Kobe would have gotten the Cavaliers as far as LeBron has gotten them?

[Culburn369]

Sure, James has taken the Cavs nowhere, ever. Kobe could do that.

[21_Blessings]

Do you think Kobe would have gotten the Cavaliers as far as LeBron has gotten them?

What I know is Lebron still wouldn't have a post-game if he was on the Lakers.

Doesn't matter what the team they are on. Kobe is the superior basketball player. Lebron may be more physicall and athletically dominant. But basketball skill? Kobe and it isn't even close.

Imagine Kobe posting the league up like he has been in a 6'8 275 frame.

[Gouken]

This thread is a ing joke. lol Christmas Day es.

[23LeBronJames23]

Do you think Kobe would have gotten the Cavaliers as far as LeBron has gotten them?

if kobe woulda had same teammates as LeBron then No

[Culburn369]

What I know is Lebron still wouldn't have a post-game if he was on the Lakers.

I God's, have you ever seen anything like in yer life, 21?

[Smooth Criminal]

There has never been a player this good at this age.

LeBron is best, most complete player to ever play in the NBA right out of high school. He is light years ahead of Kobe Bryant at every age since 18.

When Kobe was sitting on the bench for his first couple of NBA seasons, LeBron was averaging 20+ PPG, 5 asst, 6 rebs right out of the gate.

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Statistics prove LeBron is head and shoulders above Bryant

Key Offensive Stats

There are many categories to compare, but the top three offensive statistics offer the best starting ground. Kobe Bryant averages 25.1 points per game, 5.3 assists per game, while shooting 45 percent from the field. The Cavs LeBron James averages 27.5 points per game, 6.6 assists per game and shoots 47 percent. The most obvious assessment here is that LeBron is better in every key offensive category. Interestingly, Kobe is known as a much better outside shooter, yet he is only a fraction better from 3-point range than LeBron (34 percent to 32 percent).Easier to get more assists when the entire offense is LeIso. And LeBron didn't get drafted by a Team with an All-Star playing his position. And he was drafted in a time when players out of HS were given more of a chance

Defensive Comparison

A couple of years ago, most people would say Kobe Bryant was much better than LeBron James defensively, likely due to Bryant's on-ball pressure. With LeBron exerting himself, though, this opinion has changed in NBA circles. Plus, LeBron has always had better statistics defensively than Kobe Bryant. LeBron outrebounds Bryant, outsteals him and blocks more shots.Blocks and Steals can be indicative of poor defense as well...And LeBron is not close to Kobe on ball defensively

So, any argument that Kobe Bryant is a better defender than LeBron James is really no longer a valid argument.

Single Game Performances

The only category that Kobe Bryant owns is single-game scoring outbursts. He has numerous 60-point games and one 81-point eruption. LeBron James, though, has always been more interested in the all-around game, as evidenced by LeBron's 20 triple-doubles, compared to only 16 for Kobe, who has played hundreds more games than James.

Plus, anyone who saw LeBron James against Detroit in a close-out game in the 2007 playoffs would see what a gamer he can be, when he wants to take over. King James scored 24 straight points in the fourth quarter that night, including some unseemly 3-pointers with defenders draped all over him. James also hit the game-winning shot.Kobe does that, he gets whipped for "BallHogging"

Summarizing the James versus Bryant Debate

There are times when intangibles make a difference when comparing athletes. This is not one of those times. There is certainly nothing intangible that Kobe Bryant can do better than LeBron James; both are supreme athletes who can run and jump with the best players in the NBA. Both have the proverbial killer instinct that great players have.I'd like to see some of LeBron's killer instinct...LeBron has won ONE playoff series against a 50+ win team. Kobe, WAY more.

So, the numbers have to settle the debate. In this case, they certainly do. LeBron James is simply better than Kobe Bryant.

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Top 5 reasons why LeBron is the best player in the NBA, better than Bryant

Reason #1

Kobe's 40, 8 and 8 were good enough to beat Orlando, but LeBron's 49, 6 and 8, nor his 44, 12 and 7 performance were good enough to beat Orlando. That tells me one thing: Kobe's team is way better than LeBron's. If Kobe can have a night like that and blow out the Magic by 25, then why wouldn't a similar night result in at least a win for LeBron? It just goes to show you what type of talent the two have playing around them. That's why LeBron's accomplishments with this team are amazing, and it is also why the "Kobe made the Finals" argument doesn't win the debate for Mr. Bryant.


Reason #2

LeBron is the better passer and rebounder. Say what you will about Kobe's ability to score, but LeBron is better at just about every phase of the game, especially passing and rebounding. LeBron's assists numbers destroy Kobe Bryant. Even when Kobe Bryant was
more of a facilitator and had Shaq-Daddy to throw lob passes to, he only averaged 5, or at best 6, assists per game. Compare that to LeBron's 7.5 and it's a not contest, especially when you consider the no-names he is pass the ball to. As for the rebounding, it's not even close. Forget the actual boards, LeBron grabs 11.9% of all boards available, and 19% of all defensive boards. That's an amazing stat for a guy who plays out on the perimeter as much as he does.

Reason #3

LeBron is in his prime. Listen, there was a time when Kobe Bryant was a better player than LeBron James, but that time has passed. Not to say that Kobe is losing it already, but he's not the high-flying, super crossover, defending Allen Iverson type of player he once was. LeBron on the other hand is still doing all of those things, and he is doing them at a high level. I mean can you really imagine Kobe doing all of the acrobatic, dunk contest type of stuff he use to do? You can't, and neither can I. Which is why, at the very least, Kobe backers have to admit that LeBron has passed Kobe as an athlete.
I don't remember LeBron locking up Allen Iverson or any Star Scorer...ever.
Reason #4

LeBron is playing defense. Just last year, the big issue everyone had with LeBron is that he wasn't a defender. ESPN analyst after ESPN analyst would point to the fact that Kobe gets it done on both ends of the floor and that's why they considered him a better player than LeBron. But those days are over. LeBron is a defensive stand-out. I'm not saying he's the best defender ever now, but those AP guys did vote him to the first-team All Defense this year, meaning that they considered him among the top 5 defenders in the league. Yes, Kobe was right there alongside of him, but no longer can anyone say that Kobe's defense is what separates him from LeBron, because right now there is little separation in that department, if any.
LeBron also was voted 2nd in DPOY, but does anyone seriously believe he deserved second over Shane Battier, Ron Artest, KG (Before Injury), or Tim Duncan?

Reason #5

LeBron James is more clutch than Kobe Bryant. Can we really stop with the nonsense that Kobe is the guy you would rather have in the last 5 minutes of a game? Have you seen what LeBron did against the Magic? He was as clutch as ever. It's not his fault his team wasn't up to the task!Can you really call LBJ more clutch than Kobe after the Miami game and the Bucks game? And there is a reason LeBron's teammates are just spot up shooter waiting for a pass. It's because LeIso's style of play forces that role on them.

Jerry West says LeBron is the best player today

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"But even though it's hard for me to be objective, because I brought Kobe to Los Angeles, I do think LeBron has surpassed Kobe as a player."
" - Jerry West - May 2009

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[jdev82]

you wanna know what these numbers tell me? they tell me that statistics dont show even half the impact on games that any player has. they also show that miamiheat doesnt know basketball.