I don't have a problem at all with people doing whatever the they want to themselves, but now that second hand smoke has been regarded almost universally to be a health hazard, I have a problem with it being in an enclosed public place.
Like a car? Sure, I can understand that. My parents were not heavy smokers, but they smoked in the car. I hated it.
Now that it's more widely known to be a bad idea, I guess I'd rather see people make better decisions for themselves, than have the state or municipality regulate the choice for them, but I guess that ship already sailed.
Safety trolls win again.
I'm not sure when liberty came to mean protection from one's self.
I wasn't aware that the inside of a car could be considered a public place. That brings up an interesting point though.
I enjoy going bowling every now and then and it's nice to know I can do so without having to breathe in hazardous air.Now that it's more widely known to be a bad idea, I guess I'd rather see people make better decisions for themselves, than have the state or municipality regulate the choice for them, but I guess that ship already sailed.
Safety trolls win again.
It's pretty clear people won't make the decision to smoke outside unless it's a law.
Proprietors can make the decision to ban smoking in their own buildings, and many of them did here in Austin well before a municipal ban was passed.
Your reply to DR's concern about smoking on "private property" mentioned "enclosed public spaces", so maybe it's understandable I got a little turned around.
DR could have been referring to residential private property, but I doubt it.
I thought he was at first, but I've come around to your gloss. It makes more sense contextually.
Still, owners can regulate their own premises and often do. The idea that force is necessary to compel no-smoking compliance seems contradicted by my experience here in Austin, where a large variety of (indeed, almost all) "public accomodations" enforce it themselves, even though the city's no-smoking reg is defunct.
Yes, but it will never happen. The war on drugs has too much money tied up in it for it to ever end. The entire correctional and police population will make sure it stays illegal at the federal level.
At the federal and state level, sure, but cities can still do whatever they want.
13 US states have legal pot dispensaries now that I know of.
The sad part about weed being illegal is the amount of hard working Americans who have lost their jobs from a dirty piss test at work. If Obama really wants to get the economy going he needs to stop the piss testing unless your an airline pilot or you work for NORAD.
And he needs to pardon all felonies that are 15 years old. why should I never get to vote or get a good job because i got caught 25 years ago with a dime bag of coke/
I was only 22 years old and new order and DOA was playing at the dance clubs with girls wearing skirts so short they needed two hairdos. coke was everywhere i was young. Why should I suffer for the rest of my life while assholes like the mayor of Washington gets caught smoking crack on camera and keeps his job? Michale Irving, Darrell strawberry, even Bush said he tried coke.
If they pardon all drug felonies after 15 years and stop piss testing taco bell employees that alone will put millions of people back in the job market.
Now as far as weed goes? I have been around drugs since i was 8 years old i used to watch my dad shoot heroin with his Army buddies while listening to Jimmy Hendrix and I know i would rather had seen him smoke weed and watch tv all day than to be out robbing banks to support his habit. You don't know what it's like not knowing if there will be a TV in the living room every morning.
I have seen people who stop smoking weed they start to act strange, Take Bigzax for example. the guy used to be funny and even did some stand up but his wife talked him out of smoking weed now he is not funny he never comes over my place, and he is seeing a doctor for depression. now he is talking a load of pills just to be the way he was when he smoked weed.
You notice all the 420 smoke outs there is never any violence? how about you have a jack Daniels day and have 10 thousand people meet at a park drinking jack and coke four hours and tell me how many fights you have during the event.
tell me how many DUI's and how many cars are wrapped around trees and telephone poles that night. how many wives get beat up. how many young girls get raped.
I am at the age where i don't give a if they legalize it or not I am going to smoke weed in my home every chance I get, which reminds me who here has any to sell?
Last edited by Blue Jew; 12-23-2009 at 05:09 AM.
bingo. The drug czars have a LOT of powerful ppl behind them. They are receiving millions for their "war on pot". These ppl are judges, correctional officers, lawyers, police chiefs, politicians, etc. All corrupt and thisty for money and power. They could care less if legalizing pot is the obvious right choice.
Why do ppl start wars? a lot of the time is for economic gain. War on pot is nothing more than good business.
All these ppl have to do is gather a few bible thumping lemmings and easily put a stop to legalization of pot.
You rightly doubt it.
I readily understand banning smoking in private establishments that are open to the general public, regardless of age, etc. Places like an airplane, bus, restaurant, etc.
But adult establishments should not be subject to such a ban. The owner should set his own criteria. If there is such a large market for non-smoking bars, as in Austin as mentioned by WH, then so be it.
But we as a nation cater to the weakest who by virtue are the loudest. It would seem as soon as one has the majority, it truly rules...even though our system of government was specifically designed to protect the minority from the majority.
We just lost another pool hall here due to the smoking ban. They were in a tight strip center and didn't have the ability to build a patio.
Obviously they didn't make it to Feb.Theo’s Billiard Saloon, 5815 Weber Road, saw a 37 percent drop in its August alcohol sales compared with the previous year, according to the tax receipts.
Pool hall staff member Josh Kurz said the dramatic drop came after the smoking ban went into effect. The pool hall has no way to build an outdoor smoking area because it’s in a strip center. If sales don’t improve, the pool hall will close in February when its lease is up, he said.
“I hear customers complaining,” he said. “I’d imagine (the sales drops) are because of the smoking ban.”
Pool halls like Theo’s saw the most dramatic declines in alcohol sales.
Alcohol sales dropped 49 percent at Hot Shots Pools and Billiards, 4951 Ayers St., 20 percent at Paradise Pool and Billiards, 5141 Oakhurst Drive, 14 percent at Click’s Billiards, 4535 S. Padre Island Drive, and 11 percent at Rascal’s, 5959 Williams Drive.
Surely the non-smoking population drives the bar scene, right? I mean, non-smokers have overwhelming influence in government, surely now that theyve outlawed the icky smoking, bars should flourish!
I fully support the segregation of smokers and non-smokers. I get sick of being discriminated against by non-smokers. Seg-re-gate! Seg-re-gate!
the sad part about weed being illegal is the amount of hard working americans who have lost their jobs from a dirty piss test at work. If obama really wants to get the economy going he needs to stop the piss testing unless your an airline pilot or you work for norad.
And he needs to pardon all felonies that are 15 years old. Why should i never get to vote or get a good job because i got caught 25 years ago with a dime bag of coke/
i was only 22 years old and new order and doa was playing at the dance clubs with girls wearing skirts so short they needed two hairdos. Coke was everywhere i was young. Why should i suffer for the rest of my life while assholes like the mayor of washington gets caught smoking crack on camera and keeps his job? Michale irving, darrell strawberry, even bush said he tried coke.
If they pardon all drug felonies after 15 years and stop piss testing taco bell employees that alone will put millions of people back in the job market.
Now as far as weed goes? I have been around drugs since i was 8 years old i used to watch my dad shoot heroin with his army buddies while listening to jimmy hendrix and i know i would rather had seen him smoke weed and watch tv all day than to be out robbing banks to support his habit. You don't know what it's like not knowing if there will be a tv in the living room every morning.
I have seen people who stop smoking weed they start to act strange, take bigzax for example. The guy used to be funny and even did some stand up but his wife talked him out of smoking weed now he is not funny he never comes over my place, and he is seeing a doctor for depression. Now he is talking a load of pills just to be the way he was when he smoked weed.
You notice all the 420 smoke outs there is never any violence? How about you have a jack daniels day and have 10 thousand people meet at a park drinking jack and coke four hours and tell me how many fights you have during the event.
Tell me how many dui's and how many cars are wrapped around trees and telephone poles that night. How many wives get beat up. How many young girls get raped.
I am at the age where i don't give a if they legalize it or not i am going to smoke weed in my home every chance i get, which reminds me who here has any to sell?
+1
Give us some examples of this discrimination?
In a word? "Yes"
And no, don't smoke pot.
Of course it should be legal...and I'm a Christian.
But as others have said, it will never be because our government makes too much money with it being illegal. Laws will relax at the state level, but that is about it.
I notice all these armchair quarterbacks when it comes to pot. everyone wants it to be legal but no one really wants to be the first to go out there and do something about it, maybe ruin their reputations or give others a wrong impression. It's hard to publicly support weed without the dirty looks from the tax paying law abiding citizen,
It reminds me of dodge ball back in the 70s everyone wants to play but no one wants to be the first to go out there and grab a ball
Define adult establishment.
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