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People like you who get butthurt so easily make it so we don't have to.
There is no argument here. Duncan has been a better defender. Duncan has been screwed out DPOY AT LEAST twice in his career. Not to mention Duncan has a huge edge in intangibles.
A better question is this. Ask 30 GMs who they would of rather built a team around if they had drafted either Tim or Kev as rookies. I bet all 30 including Danny Ainge pick Duncan. Better defender, better leader, better player.
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People like you who get butthurt so easily make it so we don't have to.
Duncan has been screwed multiple times out of DPOY.. KG got it in a year where his stats were no better than years Timmy came like in 3rd with the voting..
Who's butt-hurt?? you made a comment, I owned you horribly, end of story..
the person who got really anrgy at someone who said MMGay.
Hey, Goran, you goin' tonite? Have an extra ducat for old Cubby?
Now: KG
Career: Duncan
What Ringo said. The big difference maker at this point is their overall health. With the exception of that knee injury Garnett's never really had any big injuries over his career, while Duncan's knees and ankles have had nagging issues over the last few years. All legs being equal I'd take Duncan.
No. You're re ed.
i would take a healthy duncan in his prime anyday of the week..He's got that I dont need to pound my chest & cuss every 3 seconds" swagger..I love that about duncan, hes a quiet killer.
i didn't stop and take the time to read the whole thing, but i'd just like to point out that men who like mma have underlying erotic tendencies..jus sayin
Listen up you beautiful es, I'm about to ya'll up with some truth. This really isn't even a debate. It's about winning. Duncan has won more as a professional sports player than Garnett has. Just like I've won more baseball than that Reg Macworthy. That's why I'm Kenny ing Powers, and Duncan is Tim ing Duncan. 'Cause we're winners and that's what winners do. Win.
man, you registered and had to wait a week to be activated just for that bull !?back to the drawing board
Why don't you go suck on a -shaped, jelly-filled donut, you ing square.
Td
sure, i'll eat a donut and leave all the real sucking to a true got like someone who makes a kenny powers troll
Duncan. He didn't create the lock out and instead took paycuts with the end result being The Spurs, with Duncan as the anchor, are in talks as the greatest team of the decade.
Duncan. He didn't create the lock out and instead took paycuts with the end result being The Spurs, with Duncan as the anchor, are in talks as the greatest team of the decade.
Right now, Garnett is a slightly better defender..I'd like to see how Duncan would look with Perkins next to him though, but you could also use the argument that KG could have looked better earlier on in his career with a guy like Bowen there..
Overall, I think it's a toss-up..along with Ben Wallace, they're the 3 best defenders of this generation, no disrespect to one of my favorites Bruce Bowen..they get the credits due to having more of an effect due to being big men..
Garnett was always the better perimeter/pick&roll defender, while Duncan was always the better post defender and positional defender..I think it pretty much comes down to preference..this is a cop-out answer, but there really is no other answer IMO..
The advanced metrical stats are good numbers, but supporting cast always makes a difference, even in Drating and D win shares..defense is always a subjective argument IMO..
for defensive purposes as much as i hate garnett he seems to me to be the better of the two.. but for a better overall player its duncan by a landslide imo
Career, I'll take Duncan because he has been a great position defender who doesn't commit stupid fouls. Right now I think Garnett's probably better though. Tim's defense seems to have dropped off a lot these last two years.
I think points in the paint allowed is a better indicator than actual individual stats. Duncan changes a lot of shots, and that simply doesn't show in the stat sheet as a block or a steal... I'm sure KG does too, but I don't recall it being anywhere near as much as TD...
I don't even know what that number is or how it compares between the two, I just think it's probably a better indicator than individual stats, considering they both are the anchor of their respective defenses.
This is a tough one for me. I like Duncan's style, he's real quiet-like, keeps his trap shut, and just does his job. I got a little Injun in me as you folks know. That's how the Injuns handle their business, and that's how ol' Aldo The Apache likes it.
On the other hand, Kevin Garnett has had some pretty good success in scalpin' him some Natzi Lakers. And that's a somethin I like seein as well.
I really think it's close, but I do think there's a very good argument for KG. I think he's a more versatile defender, better pick-and-roll big man defender, and plays the passing lanes better. While I would agree that Duncan is a better position defender and low block defender, I don't think his advantage in those areas are greater than KG's advantage as a versatile perimeter defender.
One of the biggest edges Duncan has as a defender is that he has been a better weakside defender and ac ulates more blocked shots. However, I do think in this regard, it's important to note that throughout his career, Duncan has had the advantage of playing in a defensive scheme that allows for the big men to get more blocked shots. If you look at players like Nazr Mohammed, Rasho Nesterovic, and even Malik Rose, their blocked shots per 36 minutes where noticeably greater in the Spurs defensive schemes than before or after when they were on other teams. On average, they blocked 0.5 to 0.6 more shots per 36 minutes playing in the Spurs defensive schemes. It doesn't mean Duncan isn't a good shot blocker, but it does indicate that his blocked shots totals are boosted by the coaching schemes, perhaps similar to Steve Nash's assists numbers on the Phoenix Suns.
Similarly, as someone already indicated, until KG joined the Celtics, he didn't enjoy the coaching, schemes, or defensive caliber of teammates Duncan did, which allowed him to flourish so much on the defensive end. Having Pop's coaching and schemes and playing with other great defenders like Robinson (even later in his career) and Bruce Bowen (one of the elite perimeter defenders in the league) could very well have helped Duncan be so effective.
I take those things into consideration as well. I still think it's close, and wouldn't argue too adamantly against those who think it's Duncan. But for me, I do think I would take KG, mostly for his versatility and intensity (annoying as it is).
I agree with this, therefore I have to pick KG. Because of this:
and because they weren't/aren't playing in the 80s/90s, where agility was less important and there was more low post game.I really think it's close, but I do think there's a very good argument for KG. I think he's a more versatile defender, better pick-and-roll big man defender, and plays the passing lanes better. While I would agree that Duncan is a better position defender and low block defender, I don't think his advantage in those areas are greater than KG's advantage as a versatile perimeter defender.
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