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His finals MVP was a joke.
Jesus... enough with the crybabies already.
His finals MVP was a joke.
you are just sore because manu has none and never will get one
fixable.
no small ball
get rid of bonner
That's a key point right there. Pop has implored to team to run more when the opportunity arises and the Spurs do need more easy transition baskets. Yet, it doesn't matter how much they fast break if the PG doesn't know how to execute it. Up until this year, it was necessary for TP to be a one-man break.
Now that he has a couple of running mates to get out in transition with him, it's sickening to watch him put his head down and barrel into the lane by himself, despite a 1-on-2 or 1-on-3 situation. It's especially unforgiveable because he was one of the loudest proponents of making some roster upgrades. Yet, he's not adjusting his game to help those pieces fit.
Just as Robinson sacrificed and adjusted his game when Duncan arrived, so too must TP for RJ. The fact that he hasn't is unacceptable. Pop deserves a ton of blame here too.
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I would say 80-90% of the teams struggle has to be put on Jefferson and Parker. Neither of them have shown signs of being allstars this year. I dont put too much blame on Manu because my expectations were just what I am seeing right now. Most of all I never question Manu's heart or his will to win games. It will always be apparent in his style of play.
Tony Parker is looking more and more like Allen Iverson. A great lone scorer but when he has weapons he seems to get confused when to score and when to be a teammate. I hope to God that this isnt the Spurs fate. To end with bad team chemistry. It doesnt seem like poetic justice for a Tim Duncan team to fall apart like this.
That loss against the Blazers should make a lot of fans want to vomit. Spurs fans who want to just brush it off and act like its nothing are in total denial. This is a serious problem the Spurs are facing. They better have plans on going on a 10-15 game winning streak right now or a trade better be in discussions, becuase the time for waiting for the game to just "come to you" is over. Go out there and win some games damnit...
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Bowen meant more to the Spurs than most were led to believe. He was the glue and the defensive stopper that the Spurs are missing right now.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yg85m7f
I posted it only because it is obvious that Paul is going to be trade, so I just us trade machine and try to dump Parker for "maybe not pass-first PG, but a guy who could have 10 apg and can defend'
A team which would get Paul needs to receive Petterson/Songaila/Okafor/Peja contract. Spurs can`t receive Okafor/Peja contract so I throw bigger one from rest and this is 5,8 mln for Peterson next year. With Parker Spurs would send expiring contract of Finley and Theo only for cap rules. Also Spurs could send picks, rights etc.
Advantages for Spurs are obvious.
Hornets could save 3,3 mln + 3,3 mln of tax this year and 7 mln or greater next year, getting out of taxes.
This probably not going to happen because of division rivalry and there are teams willing to eat Okafor/Stojakovic contract only to get Paul. Nevertheless I just want to place it here and discuss.
I love Paul's skills just can't stand the player and his drama antics. However I wonder if TD would keep him under controll there with his "Calm the down" comment. lol
is this a troll post?
What is the most alarming to me is that this is the most easiest part of their schedule this season, and that only means it's going to be towards the end. God, I hope our guys can find a way to get it together.
All I want for Christmas....
A very apt comparison. I can't begin to express my disappointment with Tony and his selfishness. I've never thought of him in those terms before this season. Pop's "laissez faire" at ude toward managing this situation appropriately is even more bizzare. What shape would the Spurs have been if D-Rob would've been so selfish and not sacrificed his game for the benefit of Duncan back in 1997?
This most recent loss to the Blazers is just sickening. It should be a wake-up call for anyone (player, coach or fan) that believes the team's struggles are merely just an aberration. While it's too early to panic, there will come a point where the reality of this team's shortcomings will set in. For me, this was the game. A hobbled, playoff-contending team, that was down 7 players, including their biggest star, on the second night of a back-to-back. Combine this with the fact that this team has demonstrated an clear inability to beat playoff-worthy teams, and there is much reason for concern.
Personally, I don't know how this gets fixed. Parker isn't going to change. Pop isn't going to change. Manu looks as though he's considerably declined and RJ, so far, looks like a bad fit. Bonner and Finley are not the heores that will rescue these troops. There is a 6'11", 22 year-old, athletic center that is rotting away on the bench and has been deemed a bust by the FO. Meanwhile, Duncan is overloaded in having to assume most of the heavy lifting, including facilitating the offense, on both ends. I feel bad for him because he deserves better.
As I read it somewhere here it`s all about basketball IQ. Expierenced Bowen, Thomas, Barry, Horry even Vaughn were repleced by Jefferson(guy never played schematic basketball), rookie Blair, almost rookie Hil and Dice who seems a little bit lost.
With those old guys Parker wasn`t so irresponsible. Maybe they had a big influence on him, even bigger then coach. Now Parker should be a mentor for other guys and he is not.
I write this watching Boston @ Orlando, where they play really big defense and nice passing game on offense. It remainds me old , good Spurs with those guys , who I meant at the beggining
Boston is lead by young , little crazy PG, but they had expierenced and wise guys all over the floor. Lack of Pierce isn`t noticed. Last year Spurs played good basket, but roster wasn`t deep enough to cover Gino absent. I start to think that this offseason Spurs went wrong way.
With these players, the spurs D will never be good.
For years, Duncan and Bowen were hiding other players' weakness on D. Tony and Manu have always been good help defenders but their 1on1 defense has been overrated.
Duncan lost a step (only on D) and bowen is gone. Now they're exposed.
I don't know about that one. I've heard G-Hill state on more than one occasion that Tony has taken him under his wing on several occasions and explained things to him. I disagree with Tony's selfish play on the court, but unless Hill is exaggerating, I can't go that far to say he hasn't been a mentor.
You're right. Boston plays championship-level defense ALL THE TIME! I love Rondo too - mainly because he's a flat-out disruptive pest on the defensive end. Plays passing lanes, gets up into his opponent and is an all-world theft artist. He gets his points - many in transition. Tony is a more accomplished scoring guard and is one of the best at getting to the rim. However, he negates most of his production because he's devolved into an absolute horrific defender. As much as he scores, he now gives up as much on the other end.
Great points. It's always been amazing to me how much Pop preaches defense, but he'd rather invest roster spots in some players, who are notoriously poor defenders. Too much love for the old one-trick, veteran, pony.
[quote=xtremesteven33;3943988]I would say 80-90% of the teams struggle has to be put on Jefferson and Parker. Neither of them have shown signs of being allstars this year. I dont put too much blame on Manu because my expectations were just what I am seeing right now. Most of all I never question Manu's heart or his will to win games. It will always be apparent in his style of play.
Tony Parker is looking more and more like Allen Iverson. A great lone scorer but when he has weapons he seems to get confused when to score and when to be a teammate. I hope to God that this isnt the Spurs fate. To end with bad team chemistry. It doesnt seem like poetic justice for a Tim Duncan team to fall apart like this.
That loss against the Blazers should make a lot of fans want to vomit. Spurs fans who want to just brush it off and act like its nothing are in total denial. This is a serious problem the Spurs are facing. They better have plans on going on a 10-15 game winning streak right now or a trade better be in discussions, becuase the time for waiting for the game to just "come to you" is over. Go out there and win some games damnit...[/quote]
Post of the year.
True. But why should he?
True.Jefferson is too soft
Meh... what's "his game"? Jefferson needs to get someone to create shots for him, the Spurs can do that.and his game doesnt seem to gel well with the Spurs style of play...
They also have Duncan and Ginobili. Enough playmaking.Spurs need more playmakers. Bogans,Jefferson,Parker and Hill are not natural playmakers...
True. Very concerning. The Spurs could use a top perimeter defender that doesn't suck offensively + an athletic big that can defend the pick'n'roll and perimeter bigs and rebound.Spurs dont have the defensive weapons they once had...
Maybe not, but the Spurs don't need him to be one. I think he can become the quasi-All Star/ 3rd best player the Spurs need him to be.Manu is no longer an all-star...
Or Manu.... u u ing
You guys need to pull off an atomic trade. I'm talking packaging Duncan and Ginobilli to get an elite piece like a Dwight howard. You need youth because the 2 of the big 3 are getting old. At least pull off a trade unloading ginobilli and maybe some other parts. You no longer need a team designed to beat the suns. You have to worry about LA, Portland, and Denver now, maybe OKC soon.
Either way Ginobilli has to go. His game depends on athleticism. Duncan can be kept unless you can work a deal to get a young awesome piece, a Howard, Durant, whatever...
Parker is young and keeper unless you can swing a trade that nets an elite PG, or at least a decent one with young ginobili replacement or an elite big.
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Jefferson is too soft and his game doesnt seem to gel well with the Spurs style of play...
Spurs need more playmakers. Bogans,Jefferson, [Text about Parker removed] and Hill are not natural playmakers...
Spurs dont have the defensive weapons they once had...
Manu is no longer an all-star...and shouldn't have played in the Olympics.
It hurts to come to these conclusions but Its painfully obvious these are the problems with this current team. I hope that I can be proven wrong but unless these problems are addressed quickly, this Spurs team is going nowhere...
I don't think Parker needs to be a "pass first point" guard. He does need to do what he does best, being consistently aggressive , getting his points and at times finding others as in the past.Parker cant play the role of "Pass-first" PG...
Jefferson is too soft and his game doesnt seem to gel well with the Spurs style of play...
Spurs need more playmakers. Bogans,Jefferson,Parker and Hill are not natural playmakers...
Spurs dont have the defensive weapons they once had...
Manu is no longer an all-star...
It hurts to come to these conclusions but Its painfully obvious these are the problems with this current team. I hope that I can be proven wrong but unless these problems are addressed quickly, this Spurs team is going nowhere...
The main thing he could do to help the team beyond playing to his strengths on offense is to play any form of suitable derfense. I think his defense is awful.
Wow there's some really good analysis going on in this thread. Gave me a much better grasp on what's going on with this team at the moment because I've been at a total loss as to why we've been so poor. Hope we can work this out soon.
Winner winner, chicken dinner.
I can't remember the last time Parker made a wise decision on a fast break. It seems that he's always making things harder, not only for his teammates, but for himself as well.
Instead of dishing off, he plows into the middle of 3 defenders and goes sprawling into press row half the time. He's gotta start making better decisions on the break. It's essential to getting guys like Hill and RJ involved.
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