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    They did run into a speedy type. Brooks ate Fisher's lunch. Fortunately for the Lakers, they were a much better team.
    Yeah, I forgot about him. Probably the biggest reason they forced it to seven.

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    Josh Howard, Gooden's partial-guaranteed and whatever else it takes to get Ellis. Wonder if that works under the cap.
    Ellis is a high volume scorer and is one of the best slashers in the leauge. He would fit with Dirk and Kidd perfectly.

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    Mo, Delonte, Jamario, LeBron and Varejao.
    Would you be comfortable playing that lineup against Orlando and taking your chances with Dwight?

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    Would you be comfortable playing that lineup against Orlando and taking your chances with Dwight?
    No. But it's probably our best lineup against Boston, which is probably why Sports Guy pisses himself over it.

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    You guys expected to have single digit scoring games where he put up 5 or 6 shots? I sure as didnt, I wasnt expecting him to be the 20 ppg player he was on bad teams but I definitely expected more than this. I think he's capable of more, he's shown signs of it, but often times he's not as involved as he should be especially considering Manu's and Tony's poor play thus far.

    Also regarding Dice, numerous Piston fans proclaimed that he was their best and most consistant player in the playoffs last year. Call me a homer but I refuse to believe that in a matter of months he has gone from being that to being done. I think he has more to give as well. I think simply playing to their capabilities makes the Spurs a legit darkhorse, making a trade for a defensive big like Camby could put them over the top.

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    Need 2 stars on your team at least. Mavs are 1 superstar and a very good collection of players, but no 2nd player that has a starlike impact on a game... Kidd, Marion, Howard, Terry, Dampier... pretty good supporting cast, but no star amongst them.

    You could say the same for the Cavs, but Lebron is a notch above Dirk... but quite frankly I think that problem may rear its ugly head for the Cavs as well somewhere down the line.

    is that star out there though? I dunno, doubt it... is a guy like Ellis really a Robin on a championship team? I honestly don't think so.

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    No. But it's probably our best lineup against Boston, which is probably why Sports Guy pisses himself over it.
    You could swap out Shaq for Andy and it might be the best of both worlds.

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    lakers need a shooter.

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    is that star out there though? I dunno, doubt it... is a guy like Ellis really a Robin on a championship team? I honestly don't think so.
    He doesn't really need to be though. He fills a need, which is that second guy who can get his consistently. It's not always about "stars."

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    Josh Howard, Gooden's partial-guaranteed and whatever else it takes to get Ellis. Wonder if that works under the cap.



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    But seriously, I would be down.

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    Need 2 stars on your team at least. Mavs are 1 superstar and a very good collection of players, but no 2nd player that has a starlike impact on a game... Kidd, Marion, Howard, Terry, Dampier... pretty good supporting cast, but no star amongst them.

    You could say the same for the Cavs, but Lebron is a notch above Dirk... but quite frankly I think that problem may rear its ugly head for the Cavs as well somewhere down the line.

    is that star out there though? I dunno, doubt it... is a guy like Ellis really a Robin on a championship team? I honestly don't think so.
    I think the worst thing that could happen to Cleveland is facing the Magic again. If they're smart they'll limit Shaq to about 20 minutes a game and play him at the beginning of quarters where they can go to him and try to get other teams in foul trouble. It would be suicide to keep him on the floor in crunch time when he can't defend the p'n'r.

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    Need 2 stars on your team at least. Mavs are 1 superstar and a very good collection of players, but no 2nd player that has a starlike impact on a game... Kidd, Marion, Howard, Terry, Dampier... pretty good supporting cast, but no star amongst them.

    You could say the same for the Cavs, but Lebron is a notch above Dirk... but quite frankly I think that problem may rear its ugly head for the Cavs as well somewhere down the line.

    is that star out there though? I dunno, doubt it... is a guy like Ellis really a Robin on a championship team? I honestly don't think so.

    Kidd is playing outstanding this year. Like top 5 pg material.

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    Dice is a role player. You can't really expect role players to make the ultimate difference between winning and losing a le. It's about getting impact players. They went out and got one with Jefferson. It just hasn't translated into what they expected so far.

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    You could swap out Shaq for Andy and it might be the best of both worlds.
    Shaq is only going to help against Orlando or the Lake Show. That's pretty much it. He'll kill us against any team that runs the pick-and-roll. Even in his prime Shaq couldn't defend the p 'n r. I was watching the 2002 WCF on Youtube recently and Sacramento was just murdering L.A. with the pick-and-roll.

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    Boston so far looks like the most balanced and complete team so far.

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    Shaq is only going to help against Orlando or the Lake Show. That's pretty much it. He'll kill us against any team that runs the pick-and-roll. Even in his prime Shaq couldn't defend the p 'n r. I was watching the 2002 WCF on Youtube recently and Sacramento was just murdering L.A. with the pick-and-roll.
    Do you think he'll be happy playing 15 minutes a game against the Celtics in the ECF? Do you think he'll make trouble?

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    Boston so far looks like the most balanced and complete team so far.
    When they're healthy, yes. They're a killer match-up against Orlando and the Lake Show. I wonder about how they'll hold up over 82, though, with their age. They really wore down last year and they haven't gotten any younger.

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    When they're healthy, yes. They're a killer match-up against Orlando and the Lake Show. I wonder about how they'll hold up over 82, though, with their age. They really wore down last year and they haven't gotten any younger.
    I agree. We'll see what KG looks like in May. The grind of an 82 game season + playoffs is their biggest roadblock to a le.

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    Do you think he'll make trouble?
    He has a history of iness as you know, but hopefully LeBron can keep him in line. He should be smart enough to know what he is and isn't capable of at this point.

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    Caron Butler for J-Ho makes no sense at all. So we're trading one selfish ballstopper with a ty at ude for another?

    Monta Ellis is a guy worth targeting, though.

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    You are smoking some good .
    102-87 son.

    And Im realistic about my team and their chances at this point in time, Im simply pointing out their underperformance as well as answering the the main question in this thread.

    Dice is a role player. You can't really expect role players to make the ultimate difference between winning and losing a le. It's about getting impact players. They went out and got one with Jefferson. It just hasn't translated into what they expected so far.
    No doubt he's a role player, a very solid one at that. Something he hasnt been thus far...Im not saying he's an impact player simply that he has more to give. has shown signs, I just dont understand why there are games where he takes 5 shots. He needs to be involved more.

    Caron Butler for J-Ho makes no sense at all. So we're trading one selfish ballstopper with a ty at ude for another?

    Monta Ellis is a guy worth targeting, though.

    And Monta isnt a selfish chucker? The guy has talent but he complained about drafting and having Curry start next to him because it wasnt good for HIS game. Not the team but him. He cant be too good of a team player with that at ude.

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    Even though the Spurs are only 2 back in the loss column from the Mavs, they have played a very home-heavy schedule so far. They're losing to the Junior Varsity Trailblazers and beating the Pacers on the final play of the game. They look very mediocre so far. I think they'll get better, but Duncan's supporting cast needs to pick it up because he can't do this for 82 games. They usually like him to coast at 70% until the Rodeo Road Trip.

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    Caron Butler for J-Ho makes no sense at all. So we're trading one selfish ballstopper with a ty at ude for another?
    Butler is way better than Josh and isn't hurt nearly as much.

    Monta Ellis is a guy worth targeting, though
    Yeah, I want this guy more than Butler or Bosh (who will want a max contract, and it will take Damp's contract). Ellis and Colonel Kurtz hate each other. I think it's possibly to get Monta without using Dampier's contract.

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    Caron Butler for J-Ho makes no sense at all. So we're trading one selfish ballstopper with a ty at ude for another?

    Monta Ellis is a guy worth targeting, though.
    Didn't no his at ude was bad? Anyway when I saw he TO's and Assist #'s i jumped off that bandwagon.

    Still Buter > Howard.

    Plus change would do them both good.

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    The favorites in order:

    Boston Celtics
    Los Angeles Lakers
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    Cleveland Cavaliers
    San Antonio Spurs

    What do they need:

    Celtics - a secondary wing backup that can defend bigger wings and shoot from the outside + a 4th big that can rebound instead of Big Baby Davis.

    Lakers - perimeter play on both sides of the court: quickness defensively, outside shooting and dribble penetration offensively.

    Magic - maybe a backcourt bench player better than JJ Red (ideally someone who can get inside); but mostly that SVG gets his head out of his ass and starts using Vince Carter correctly - as a playmaker and passer and not only as a scorer.

    Cavs - priority: quickness, athleticism and shooting in their big man rotation; secondary: another shot-creator

    Spurs - priority: a top perimeter defender who can do something offensively (even if it's just hitting corner 3s); secondary: a big that can defend the pick'n'roll.
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    The remaining teams mentioned by the OP would be contenders (and still have a "biggest need" if they could add:

    Denver Nuggets - A legit 3rd big, hopefully one as good or better than Nene and Martin; needs to be a great rebounder + JR Smith to become a legit 20ppg player.

    Dallas Mavericks - A center with Dampier's defence but serviceable offensively + a shot-creator from the perimeter + a backup wing with Ross' defence but serviceable offensively

    Atlanta Hawks - meh... at least a guy who's a legit All-Star+All-D team.

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