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Every ing thread is like this. Most of the posters on the board are basketball illiterate.
I think Gooden helped his self out by coming in this year in better shape...It is very obvious that he has lost a bunch of weight?...I think he knows that he is in a contract year, so the better in shape he is in, the better he plays...But I am happy with McDyess!!!.....
Every ing thread is like this. Most of the posters on the board are basketball illiterate.
All you have to do to take Gooden out of the game is show him something shiny. That usually distracts him for at least 10-15 minutes.
The Spurs system was too complicated for Gooden - he never got it. End of story.
That's because Gooden is someone who will never be as talented as McDyess.
Let's face it, McDyess is past his prime...that's the only reason this conversation exists.
McDyess is known to show up in the playoffs....Gooden just faded.
hmm.....
an embarrassment of a thread ...
Players are still struggling, cut the guy some slack.
Well it's kinda dumb but why not be open to other's ideas and viewpoints? Not everyone agrees on the merits of a player. There are some extremely narrowminded people on this site.
He fits with Dallas they beat you with offense and Spurs beat you with Defense.
gooden could never ever hit all those jumpers like mcdyess has been doing this season, all his career as well.
They both don't fit for spurs.
ummm yeah like i said dice will turn it up after xmas, and right on schedule he has done so. watch what happens after all star break!!! you see re s, gooden has already peaked in that system which is never a good sign, and if youre smart you would have realized that. like ppl on here have already said " gooden is a black hole, false advertisement, lazy " all of em, and dice has a much higher bball IQ. when players peak at the beg. of the season and then drop off it shows that they are one dimensional players. measure in distance and you will see who is the better player
It's not that McDyess doesn't fit, it's that they probably had him miscast in the role they brought him in for; which was presumably to start next to Duncan and be the number two big on the roster. At this point in his career, he's more of a third big man, which is the role he's now playing. Eventually, if this team is going to even get close to accomplishing what they intend to, then (barring a trade) he'll have to probably end up starting and logging extended minutes.
As for Gooden, he's solid, but he's a classic case of numbers not telling the whole story. Statistically, he can score and rebound, but he's not a terribly efficient scorer, is known for taking bad shots and defensively he's sub par. In short, he's a mistake player and lacks the IQ for the game, the savvy defensively and the mid-range marksmanship that McDyess does.
McDyess has been a disappointment to this point, but you can start to see he's coming out of his early season malaise. As is necessary at his age and with past knee surgeries, he doesn't play in the summer to rest his knees for the season so he plays his way into shape during the season, which is why he's a notoriously slow starter and an excellent second half player.
Weird considering how the Spurs are better offensively this year than the Mavs and how the Mavs are better defensively.
Drew Gooden tonight with 19 pts on 8-8 shooting along with 10 rbds in 27 min. Good game from him despite his ty FT shooting (3-7)
no one is trashing gooden. But he is a bad fit because he is a black hole on offense, further he needs to be in the low post to produce (duncs got this spot), and thirdly his strongest suit is offensive rebounds and hustle which is pointless since spurs emaphasise getting back on transition D. Bad fit.
From the Dallas News Headline today: Perfect Game for Gooden
"Gooden has had crazier statistical games this season, but nver has he been more efficient or sent a better message than he did in shooting 8-for-8 and ringing up 19 points and 10 rebounds."
"In addition to some wild, highlight reel shots...Gooden also ANCHORED {Caps mine} a salty defense that shut down Carmelo Anthony, and never let Kenyon Martin, Nene or Chris Anderson get their claws into the Mavericks.
Rick Carlisle said "This is why we got him is because of guys like Martin, Neen and Anderson--to be able tobattle those guys. He did a great job Plus you throw in the offensive numbers and he was a big difference?"
Gooden should be nicknamed "Statsheet". His game always looks good on paper. I think we tried the Gooden experiment with limited success.
Exactly. He had a couple of games for us where he looked good and his general statistical production wasn't that bad at all. However, he was not and is not the answer to our problems, especially not on the defensive end.
thankyou!! Everyone seems to be forgetting that McDyess is a terrible defender as well.. He cant stay in front of his man, gets beat constantly making Duncan have to come help, with the play ending making Duncan look a fool.. Rebound's the man cant even give you decent numbers there as a backup Center.... His Shot blocking is non existint, i think he might be the worth 2nd to last in blocks on team only behind TP... You can count on 1 hand how many block shots he has this season.. The only think he has going is his 15-17 ft jumper... Thats it... Defense i say is still the main problem...
And please dont get me started on JR's defense, his game has more holes in it than swiss cheese.. And turns it over more than any other player on the team not named Ginobli.
According to quote in paper, Gooden's coach says his help was primarily on defense against the Nugget front line and the offensive stats were simply frosting on the cake. But what does Carlisle know?
Gooden isn't a guy you want in the game for the last few minutes of an important game. his head was up his ass on D, he sets TY picks (maybe the worse pick setter in the entire league), and as others have said he was a blackhole on offense.
when he wasn't shooting/scoring well he was a non-factor.
McDyess has started off a little slow, but that can be said about everyone outside of Duncan and to an extent Blaire and Hill. once he gets it, he'll be a great fit for this team. in some games he's shown what he can be for this team eventually, but it's about doing it night-in-night-out.
WTF are you talkin' about?
His D is fine. His rebounding is fine for the minutes he's getting when you consider he's playing along side Duncan and Blair. His defense has been fine. He's done a great job on a lot of the opposing big men the spurs have played this season. He's gets burned once or twice but so does everyone. Of course once some of the basketball geniuses on this site see one of these burns Antonio immediately becomes the worst defender in all of the NBA. Name a low post defender that game after game shuts down the league's other big men.
Duncan gets burned on high screen and rolls where his man is quicker than him. David Lee shot open jumper after open jumper last night because Duncan isn't that comfortable with his speed that far out on the perimeter. Big deal. Is Duncan a sub standard defender?
second night of back to back ... also mcdyess is not much of a shotblocker anymore, but is defientely better than average defender. Same cannot be said of gooden.
I haven't seen this game or really seen Gooden play a lot for Dallas at all. So I don't know, maybe it was just one good game, maybe he is a better defender for them than he was for us. But would you really say he looked like he could be a solid defending Big next to Duncan based on what he offered us last season?
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