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If Mo Williams is an all-star, then I guess anything is possible
http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archiv...d_be_all_star/
Bulls coach Vinny Del Negro believes that center Joakim Noah should be a candidate to make the All-Star team.
Noah is averaging 10.5 points and 12.4 rebounds, third-best in the NBA.
"He's been strong," Del Negro said. "He's one of the top rebounders in the league with his energy and his length. He's around that basket, and he's been pretty consistent the whole year."
Del Negro was then asked if he'd begin pushing for his young center to make the Eastern Conference squad.
"No question," the coach said. "Everyone will talk about his rebounding, but he's made strides with his offense. He works hard. He puts the time in. He's building on that, working before practice, after, after shootarounds.
"When you work at things, you usually get better and he's seeing that. He's gaining confidence with that."
Noah seemed embarrassed by the talk.
"I don't think about it at all," he said. "That's not why I go out there and play the games; it's not for individual accolades. It's definitely flattering, humbling, but at the same time that's not why we go out there and play the game."
If Mo Williams is an all-star, then I guess anything is possible
if bulls would be in playoffs than maybe
Lol, somebody should fire VDN right now
Joakim Noah > Andrew Bynum
T Mac is an all star so why not Noah ? Noah > T-Mac
Noah is playing pretty damn well this year and anyone would love to have him on their team, especially after telling LeBron off for being arrogant and dancing, but he is still not an All-Star caliber player.
Yup
By the way, my boss is from Paris and is firend with Noah's ex-wife.
He met Joakim several times (when Joakim was like 3-4 y/o)
there has to be one more center other than howard. why not him? or who else brook lopez? definitely not perkins
It's definitely possible. After Dwight Howard, there isn't really any other standout center in the East. Brooki Lopez is having a pretty good year statistically, but he's also playing for one of the worst NBA teams in the history of the league. Noah is in a group of Eastern Conference centers that are all pretty comparable stats wise, including Al Horford, David Lee, Andrew Bogut, Kendrick Perkins, and Brendan Haywood. I wouldn't be surprised by any of those guys being named as the back up center for the EC all stars. And, there's always the chance that coaches give the nod to Shaq even though he doesn't deserve it this year at all. Personally, I'd give it to Horford.
I guess Noah is the newest player to be glorified by the Chicago media. It's amazing how the Bulls aren't good with all these future franchise players they have drafted/acquired on draft day since 2001:
Marcus Fizer (even though they already had Elton brand, you can't pass this kind of talent up)
Eddy Curry (the next Shaq)
Tyson Chandler (the next KG)
Jay Williams (maybe he might have been good but an example of a talented CHI player who's stupidity got in his way)
Kirk Hinrich (the next John Stockton)
Ben Gordon (words cannot even describe his greatness)
Luol Deng (too talented to even consider trading for Kobe Bryant)
Ty Thomas (only a matter of time before he reaches his potential)
Joakim Noah (as of today has been anointed the Bulls' next future all star).
They're like the Wizards team. The media fellates their roster and they promptly turn in a .500 season for the 8 millionth time.
Like you said, they're just NOT THAT GOOD.
Exactly. Great comparison. I've never seen a perennial .500 team generate so much buzz every year.
raptors all over it
they like to boasts about their euro players, too bad the stats they put up in europe doesnt translate to nba game
The Bulls have been Next Year's Champions for about the last 5-6 years.
I will take Rose, Hinrich, Gibson and Noah and work to build a team around them.
Although, I'm not in love with Rose, I do think he's quality and talent enough that with the right coach (not D'Antoni, but maybe a former Bulls HC in Skiles) that he can reach his potential.
The Bulls are a "What If" like few others... Off the top of my head, Jay Williams over Nene, Amare or Butler in 2002, Gordon and Deng over Iguodala and Jefferson in 2004, Trading LaMarcus Aldridge for Ty Thomas and Thabo Sefolosha over Ronnie Brewer in 2006...
Every once in a while they get a solid pick like Hinrich (good, not great, however), Noah (Very good, considering position), Rose (No brainer) and Gibson (Great, considering positioning), but they have really missed. People laugh at how they took NY and Isiah Thomas to school on the Crawford and Curry trades, but what have they to show for it? Pretty much Joakim Noah and busts.
Everyone knows the Raptors suck. Their young players aren't over-hyped like Chicago's are and have been.
Tough criticisms in my opinion, but easy to criticize in hindsight. Jay Williams was a consensus top two prospect in the 2002 draft by virtually every GM, scout, and analyst. And, it's really not the fault of the Bulls' front office that Jay Williams got into a motorcycle accident and that we can never really know if he would have become the player he was projected to become. Moreover, Amare, Nene, and Butler weren't even anywhere close on the radar of being considered top 2 or even top 5 prospects in that draft (maybe Nene, but there were plenty of questions about him as well being an international prospect, particularly his height at the time). But again, easy to say that now in hindsight.
Same thing with Al Jefferson, especially with him coming straight out of high school. And, it's not entirely compelling that it's a mistake to have taken Luol Deng over Andre Iguodala. A healthy Deng is about as good as Iguodala. Iguodala is still just a really athletic wing player who has pretty good skill. He hasn't shown anything along the lines of being a great leader, great clutch shot maker, all world talent that makes the picking Deng over him look that bad. And, again, Ben Gordon was a consensus top 5 pick at the time of the 2004 draft.
The trading of LaMarcus Aldridge for Tyrus Thomas was questionable because they needed scoring from one of the big positions, not necessarily athleticism. That one certainly could be argued that it was a poor judgment call to make that swap.
Thabo Sefolosha versus Ronnie Brewer... not very compelling. Neither is noticeably better than the other. Can't really argue picking one over the other is a huge mistake either way, even in retrospect.
we all agree but AS voting is a joke see T Mac so why not Noah ? Saying that after an awful year Noah has showed he grew up a lot and he is now a young guy that every team would love to have him.
I'm not saying they drafted poorly. Just that they had a lot of very high picks and more often than not, better players could be had at those positions, sometimes immensely better (Brewer of Sefolosha is pretty drastic), or where they had the better talent, but traded him away for lesser (Brand for Chandler/Aldridge for Thomas).
They just have a lot of "What Ifs" that could construct one of a team.
And I will argue that Jay Williams was always way overrated (just like Dunleavy). I watched his entire career at Duke and that guy was straight up chucker. He was a volume shooter/scorer and wasn't a PG. He could make a pass, but he wasn't a PG (which is why K started a freshman in Duhon when Williams was a junior). He's was a sub-40% shooter from mid-range, 35% from three and 60% from FT line. He was turnover prone to boot.
Quality player, but way overrated. Maybe he develops? Just never thought as highly of his potential.
Jamstone, you don't think Iggy has proven an ability to hit clutch shots?
He has about six more than I can say Deng has... Better passer, equal shot, way better athlete, equal rebounder, better overall slasher, better defender.
At this point I'd say Deng is Deng. I think Iguodala has a bit more room before he hits his ceiling. And, since Jamstone brought mocks into it, Iguodala was mocked as high as 3rd overall, and most had him going 4th-through-6th, which is why Phoenix traded their pick in the first place. They coveted three players from that draft, Howard, Gordon and Iguodala, and each was slated unanimously to be gone in mocks by the time they drafted 7th. They couldn't reach a deal to move up, so they moved out. When Iguodala fell, the Suns offered the package they'd received from Chicago to Toronto and Philly in hopes of landing Iguodala, but Toronto needed a big man (Araujo) and Philly wanted Iguodala.
Nope.
edit: perhaps he's hit some in the regular season. I don't recall him hitting any really meaningful one in the playoffs when they really matter. And I wasn't saying Deng is necessarily better. I would say Iguodala is the better player. I'm saying Iguodala hasn't really shown anything that would make me say, "oh that was a huge mistake to have picked Deng over Iguodala."
Yup. If only Bynum would give half the effort Joakim does he might actually be worth a damn.
I see what you're saying, so fair enough.
Still, I don't think Brewer is drastically better than Sefolosha at all. My opinion. And, with Jay Williams, the problem with your opinion about him being overrated is that it's not his play on the court that can prove your opinion. We'll never know. It was a career ending injury. So, it becomes more of a Len Bias type of regret rather than a Darko over Melo, Bosh, or Wade argument.
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