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So on short trips (L.A. to Vegas for example), you just can't do anything except sit there because the flight is less than an hour?
WTF??? I don't mind reasonable precautions but this has nothing to do with safety and just pisses me off...
It's all on the LAST HOUR of the trip?
-Can't get into overhead bins/carry on luggage.
-Can't use the restroom.
-Cant' have ANYTHING in you lap...computer, book, blanket etc. Both hands have to be in plain sight.
what the are they gonna do when someone really has to use the restroom?
And all this stuff is only dangerous in the LAST hour? It's not dangerous on takeoff but it's dangerous on landing?
ing idiots. .
So on short trips (L.A. to Vegas for example), you just can't do anything except sit there because the flight is less than an hour?
Apparently so. Absolutely ridiculous.
This is just for international flights, from my understanding. All prompted by what happened over the holiday weekend.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34601479/ns/travel-tips/
Oh here's a better one:
http://www.startribune.com/local/801...D3aPc:_Yyc:aUU
New security guidelines for international flights also limit passengers to one carry-on bag and require that during the last hour of a flight passengers remain in their seats and keep all items out of their laps.
WASHINGTON – Some airlines were telling passengers on Saturday that new government security regulations prohibit them from leaving their seats beginning an hour before landing
The regulations are a response to a suspected terrorism incident on Christmas Day.
Air Canada said in a statement that new rules imposed by the Transportation Security Administration limit on-board activities by passengers and crew in U.S. airspace. The airline said that during the final hour of flight passengers must remain seated. They won't be allowed access to carryon baggage or to have any items on their laps.
Flight attendants on some domestic flights are informing passengers of similar rules. Passengers on a flight from New York to Tampa Saturday morning were also told they must remain in their seats and couldn't have items in their laps, including laptops and pillows.
The TSA issued a security directive for U.S.-bound flights from overseas, according to a transportation security official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the official was not authorized to speak publicly.
The official said passengers traveling internationally could see increased security screening at gates and when they check their bags, as well as additional measures on flights such as stowing carryons and personal items before the plane lands.
Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said in a statement Saturday that passengers flying to the U.S. from overseas may notice extra security, but she said the measures "are designed to be unpredictable, so passengers should not expect to see the same thing everywhere."
A Nigerian passenger on a Northwest Airlines flight from Amsterdam allegedly attempted to start a fire as the plane prepared to land in Detroit on Friday, according to authorities. The incident has sparked a major international terrorism investigation.
Air Canada said it was limiting passengers to one carryon bag in response to a request from the U.S. and Canadian governments.
The airline advised U.S.-bound passengers to restrict their carryon item to "the absolute minimum" or to not carry any bag on board at all.
"Carriage of any carryon item will result in lengthy security delays for the customer," the airline said.
U.S.-bound flights on all airlines are experiencing significant delays, said Duncan Dee, Air Canada's executive vice president and chief operating officer.
A spokeswoman with Infraero, a Brazilian government agency that oversees airport infrastructure, said that airlines had been asked by federal authorities to add another layer of security for international flights originating in the country after the attempted attack in the U.S.
The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because she was not authorized to discuss the matter, said that passengers would face an extra screening that would take place just before they boarded planes. She would give no more details, citing security concerns.
David Castelveter, a spokesman for the Air Transport Association, said the domestic airline industry has been in close coordination with the security administration since Friday's incident and there will be increased scrutiny of passengers. He declined to comment on whether new regulations have been put in place.
Apparently it's not just international flights.
USG: Taking away our rights one terrorist act at a time.
you have a going problem, cc? can't hold ur peepee for an hour?
lol...thats what I was gonna say.
Everywhere I've heard it's only international flights. However, it's a brand new rule so it's probably still trickling down being refined. Nothing is ever certain, and it's the government.
I don't fly so it won't affect me. Just reporting what I've heard.
Well, I'm probably average for someone my age, but I sure like to have the option available if I want it.
But I DO read when I fly. I can typically knock out an average hardback book between SA and LA. That rule REALLY pisses me off if they actually enforce it.
Well this is hysteria you get after such things have happened. And its totally unnecessary, because if a terrorist wants to do something, he will, he will find a way, if you keep your laptop on your lap or not, doesn't matter a . Hysteria, that's what it is.
They cant keep doing this, taking it over the top, under the name of 'regulations against terrorism'.
Its Bull .
Just like the other nigerian guy on a flight to detroit. The hysteria is so increased, that when people see someone who even looks a tiny little bit funny, is immediately labeled as a possible terrorist. And the poor guy had just a food poisoning and was feeling a bit sick. hysterical.....
When are they going to make everyone fly naked?
Shortly before cavity searches become routine.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/...ne-terror.html
security theater.Over the past decade, according to BTS, there have been 99,320,309 commercial airline departures that either originated or landed within the United States. Dividing by six, we get one terrorist incident per 16,553,385 departures.
These departures flew a collective 69,415,786,000 miles. That means there has been one terrorist incident per 11,569,297,667 mles flown. This distance is equivalent to 1,459,664 trips around the diameter of the Earth, 24,218 round trips to the Moon, or two round trips to Neptune.
Assuming an average airborne speed of 425 miles per hour, these airplanes were aloft for a total of 163,331,261 hours. Therefore, there has been one terrorist incident per 27,221,877 hours airborne. This can also be expressed as one incident per 1,134,245 days airborne, or one incident per 3,105 years airborne.
There were a total of 674 passengers, not counting crew or the terrorists themselves, on the flights on which these incidents occurred. By contrast, there have been 7,015,630,000 passenger enplanements over the past decade. Therefore, the odds of being on given departure which is the subject of a terrorist incident have been 1 in 10,408,947 over the past decade. By contrast, the odds of being struck by lightning in a given year are about 1 in 500,000.
This means that you could board 20 flights per year and still be less likely to be the subject of an attempted terrorist attack than to be struck by lightning.
Good thing I travel with interesting people since I am not going to be allowed even a book for the last hour of flights.
I really don't get the book restriction- unless of course someone was reading Terrorism for Dummies.
they gonna take away the sky mall magazines and , also? What if you want to sit there that last hour of your flight and read the safety procedures?
Well, at least Janet Incompetano finally admitted today that they might have done a few things wrong Christmas day..Up until now she has been saying "everything worked the way it was supposed to"...I was like uhhh WTF? It was blind dumb luck. The dudes detonator malfunctioned and then the other PASSENGERS took him down...
Just advance plane technology so we each have our own pods.
This is also going to make it hard for fellow passengers to phone-video me saving Flight 234467 and it making it onto every news channel enabling me to never have to pay taxes again after becoming the #1 national hero.
Just do your ing job at the screening.
It's funny, I was just talking to my folks about this since we travel the DTW/AMS legs quite frequently.
Are you supposed to just piss and/or in your pants?
How long will it be before some dude just whips out his cack and pisses on the seat in front of him or on the floor?
Really, what other options would you have?
The charade of the new on-flight rules convincingly confirms the forever charade and futility of pre-flight inspections.
Judging from the TSA staff I've seen at the inspection stations, TSA is an employer of last resort.
Piss in the barf bag?
Forgot about that. Options are definitely limited, though.
Did it surprise you that this went down at or through Schipol, Slomo?
Well yes and no.
Yes, because Schiphol has this weird double security checks, where you have to go through security twice (once at the entrance to the terminal and once at the gate) as opposed to most airports where you only go once. So in theory the guy had to go a security not only at his departure point but also at Schiphol. Of course all US bound planes in Europe have additional checks so he might have gone through two checks in AMS.
No because I often get the feeling that the employees at Schiphol only go through the motions. They are not well organized and the gate check is badly setup, creating crowds and bottle necks and stressing everybody - in effect lowering the precision of the check.
All of the above relates to internal EU flights. I've never flown intercontinental from AMS.
IMO the most thorough and professionally executed security checks in the EU are Frankfurt, Munich and Zurich. There's only one check but they always stumble on some of my stranger carry on items (my carry on bag looks like a gift basket from an electronic store), but at the same time there are enough of them not to create huge cues.
What I don't get is that with the new mandatory 48hrs. advance registration the guy was allowed to board the plane despite of his name being on the suspect list.
These new rules are re ed! I don't really understand what they are trying to achieve except to make everybody even more nervous - you know there are going to be stupid accidents with people flipping out.
Oh and the absolutely best and most thorough security check: Ben Gurion airport Tel Aviv. I never understood why nobody was copying that model.
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