Donated Blood

[marini martini]

Which is precisely what this thread turned into.

Damn sure did!

[travis2]

Abe Lincoln amoung others.

See this hospital? It's called the University Hospital, the University Center for Bloodless Surgery and Medicine in New Jersey. The surgeons there are called "doctors". Many of the staff are called "nurses".
http://www.theuniversityhospital.com...etthestaff.htm
Here is another one. It's called "The Center for Bloodless Medicine and Surgery at Pennsylvania Hospital". They have hospitals thruout the East Coast that do bloodless surgeries. There surgeons are also called "doctors". Many of their staff are called "nurses". http://www.pennhealth.com/bloodless/management.html

Here is Jeannie Higginbotham. She as a Registered Nurse for 13 years and spent the past 10 years setting up bloodless medicine and surgery programs in a variety of University Teaching Ins utions up and down the Eastern Seaboard. http://www.conserveblood.com/

Should i post the 1000s more hospitals in both the U.S. and globally that either are completely bloodless or have a non blood surgery dept? In fact what city or town do you live in? Lets see if yours has one nearby. You could talk to the head surgeon himself about their program. He is a doctor. Of course that might not coincide with what you already believe, right?

Nice deflection. Now answer my question.

[mouse]

[Creepn]

I seriously doubt this would've happened to your other arm. Since yall knew why the blood stopped flowing (because it was too tight), the nurse and yourself wouldve made certian not to wrap your other arm so tightly to prevent it from happening again.

You panicked like a little and ran off. That's why you got the dirty looks. Pure and simple.

[boutons_]

Blood is a one of the true wonders of the human body. Synthetic blood is an oxymoron. It can't be both sythetic and blood. That 's got a very bad track record, but corps keep selling it with FDA running interference.

Even 2-week old real blood has been shown to cause problems. Blood is alive and extremely complex. Being out of a the body for 2 weeks causes degradation.

Best practice: if you're going to have an operation and perhaps will need a transfusion, give your own blood. "autologous", no more than 10 days before the operation and insist any transfusion be with your own blood.

[Fabbs]

Source? WOAI.

http://www.woai.com/content/troubles...2HZL1BFhg.cspx

Exclusive: San Antonio's First Bloodless Hospital

The Trouble Shooters are breaking big medical news. We have learned San Antonio is about to get its first bloodless hospital. That means it will be performing surgeries without giving blood transfusions. In part, because blood is always in such short supply in our area. News 4 Trouble Shooter Jaie Avila has the exclusive details on something many patients didn't realize was possible.
Blood transfusions are standard practice during many surgeries, but now a local hospital says it can do even complicated, open-heart procedures without transfusing blood. It says the surgeries are safe, less expensive and the patients recover faster.
Northeast Baptist Hospital says this is not a medical trial. It is converting the entire hospital into a bloodless facility, with a goal of performing 90% of its surgeries without blood.
How is that possible?
Take the case of Raymond Talbert, who is legally blind, and needs one of his heart valves replaced or he could die.
Talbert cannot receive a blood transfusion because of his religious beliefs. "Because I'm a Jehovah's Witness, I do not take blood, so they recognize that and they respect that so it pleases me immensely."
In the days before the surgery, Talbert's surgeon, Dr. Jerry Kelley, tries to conserve Talbert's own blood by drawing as little of it as possible for testing.
"In the past, you would take a big tube of blood," explains Dr. Kelley. "Now, we're using very small tubes and basically, every test that we're ordering now, we're thinking, 'Do we really need this test? Or can we go by the results we had yesterday?'"
Talbert is also given iron and a special drug to build up his blood cell count in advance of the surgery.
"My faith is strong, I have no questions about doing it this way, and the technology is there to do it," says Talbert.
While performing the operation, Dr. Kelley cauterizes blood vessels as he goes, to minimize bleeding. What blood is lost, goes into a special machine called a cell saver, which filters raymond's blood, and routes it directly back into his veins. They also dilute Talbert's blood with a saline solution, to increase the volume of blood in his body.
Bloodless hospitals in other parts of the country have been using these techniques for years.
"This is nothing experimental. These are procedures being done other places," adds Dr. Kelley. "We have data from around the country to support everything we're doing here."
In fact, Northeast Baptist Hospital has the support of the South Texas Blood & Tissue Center , which says bloodless medicine could help reduce demand for donated blood.
"If a hospital can utilize bloodless medicine and reduce usage in elective surgeries, then that helps trauma patients and surgeries that go unscheduled, to be able to have blood available," says Dr. Rachel Beddard with the South Texas Blood & Tissue Center .
Another heart patient, Larry Harber, has no religious objection to blood. The former firefighter is more concerned about possible infections or complications from receiving donated blood.
"You always have that thought, 'I would prefer to keep my own blood, as opposed to have someone else's blood'," says Harber.
Northeast Baptist Hospital hopes by going bloodless, it will no longer have to delay or cancel surgeries due to a shortage of donated blood. And the move could save the hospital hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.
Just one unit of donated blood can cost a hospital more than $700. By the time the hospital matches the blood and does the transfusion, the cost to the patient can jump to $1,500 or more.
"It's cheaper all the way around," says Dr. Kelley. "The hospital bill's going to be less. You have less chance of having a problem with the blood, and you heal faster, you heal better."
That seems to have been the case with Raymond Talbert.
He was able to leave the hospital four days after his heart surgery. Northeast Baptist says other patients who received the same procedure with blood transfusions spent 15 to 22 days in the hospital.
The average cost of a heart surgery without blood is $16,435. With blood transfusions, the same surgery costs $23,415.
"I feel good about it, I feel positive about it, I'm physically well, I'm alive. I'm not doing any marathons today but I'm here," says Talbert.
Doctors will still be able to give a transfusion if they feel it is medically necessary, or if the patient asks for it, but now when a patient first checks in to the hospital they will automatically be told about the benefits of bloodless surgery.

[Phenomanul]

I thought it was standard practice to remove the tourniquet a couple of seconds after blood flow is established?

[Fabbs]

Shoogar Bear, Mrs. Mallox,

Have you checked this hospital out yet?
Exclusive: San Antonio's First Bloodless Hospital

The Trouble Shooters are breaking big medical news. We have learned San Antonio is about to get its first bloodless hospital. That means it will be performing surgeries without giving blood transfusions. In part, because blood is always in such short supply in our area. News 4 Trouble Shooter Jaie Avila has the exclusive details on something many patients didn't realize was possible.
Blood transfusions are standard practice during many surgeries, but now a local hospital says it can do even complicated, open-heart procedures without transfusing blood. It says the surgeries are safe, less expensive and the patients recover faster.
Northeast Baptist Hospital

[I. Hustle]

LOL I wonder if that baby lived. To save a baby's life would have been one of the best birthday gifts I would have ever received.

[Slomo]

Shoogar Bear, Mrs. Mallox,

Have you checked this hospital out yet?
Exclusive: San Antonio's First Bloodless Hospital

The Trouble Shooters are breaking big medical news. We have learned San Antonio is about to get its first bloodless hospital. That means it will be performing surgeries without giving blood transfusions. In part, because blood is always in such short supply in our area. News 4 Trouble Shooter Jaie Avila has the exclusive details on something many patients didn't realize was possible.
Blood transfusions are standard practice during many surgeries, but now a local hospital says it can do even complicated, open-heart procedures without transfusing blood. It says the surgeries are safe, less expensive and the patients recover faster.
Northeast Baptist Hospital

Is this possible?

Sounds like an interesting idea, but is it really doable/beneficial?

[Fabbs]

Is this possible?

Sounds like an interesting idea, but is it really doable/beneficial?

It's been ongoing for years. Most beneficially.
But for the unbelieving, i figure they could go and see and touch this new San Antonio hospital. Talk to some of their outpatients.

Slomo, do you know anyone in SA who could go in person?

[tlongII]

I hope I never end up in that hospital for heart surgery!

[I. Hustle]

I hope I never end up in that hospital for heart surgery!

Just hope you aren't the same blood type as MiamiHeat.

[PakiDan]

Whaaaaaaat?

Trueblood. It's invention will bring about the outing of the secret and mystical vampire race into the mainstream. MARK MY WORDS!

[Fabbs]

The U.S. gov't just granted Englewood Hospital in New Jersey 4.6 million dollars for bloodless surgery. The program will be ran by U.S. army doctors.

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http://www.youtube.com/v/YptRya2-ihg..._embedded&fs=1

In part:

Congressman Steve Rothman "When one can reduce complications, reduce infections, reduce durations in the hospital, reduce mortality as a result of surgeries and save money at the same time that's a grand slam."

[SpursNextRomanEmpire]

Why didnt you flat out say "you ed up on the other arm" and then explain what it is they did wrong. Then you could have gotten out of that damned vampire haven without feeling like the bad guy.

[Imposter]

Good lawd that's a big ol' ass!

[BlackSwordsMan]

fight me

[Fabbs]

Originally Posted by Fabbs

Shoogar Bear, Mrs. Mallox,

Have you checked this hospital out yet?
Exclusive: San Antonio's First Bloodless Hospital

The Trouble Shooters are breaking big medical news. We have learned San Antonio is about to get its first bloodless hospital. That means it will be performing surgeries without giving blood transfusions. In part, because blood is always in such short supply in our area. News 4 Trouble Shooter Jaie Avila has the exclusive details on something many patients didn't realize was possible.
Blood transfusions are standard practice during many surgeries, but now a local hospital says it can do even complicated, open-heart procedures without transfusing blood. It says the surgeries are safe, less expensive and the patients recover faster.
Northeast Baptist Hospital

Is this possible?

Sounds like an interesting idea, but is it really doable/beneficial?

Slomo were you ever able to get a willing San Antonio person to give you their in person report on this San Antonio hospital that joined in using bloodless procedures?

Also wonder how that Englewood, Hospital in New Jersey is doing.

The U.S. gov't just granted Englewood Hospital in New Jersey 4.6 million dollars for bloodless surgery. The program will be ran by U.S. army doctors.

http://www.youtube.com/v/YptRya2-ihg...lor2=0xcfcfcf& ;hl=en_GB&feature=player_embedded&fs=1"></param><param

http://www.youtube.com/v/YptRya2-ihg..._embedded&fs=1

In part:

Congressman Steve Rothman "When one can reduce complications, reduce infections, reduce durations in the hospital, reduce mortality as a result of surgeries and save money at the same time that's a grand slam."

[mrsmaalox]

I graduated from nursing school in 1992. We were taught these methods and worked hard to maintain this kind of practice in all areas but primarily in trauma cases. Nothing new here except someone is finally paying attention.

[I. Hustle]

So MH, do you ever visit that baby's grave site?

[MannyIsGod]

MM and Shoog laid some serious ownage here. I don't think I've ever seen a thread where Fabbs listens to others who know more about a subject than him. Ever. He's like the younger and more re ed version of WC.