LOLLOLOLOL @ you son. The process of profiling as a legitimate tool is obviously common sense. I'm not even arguing this was the dems or reps fault, using my head I am fully aware they don't really care in the first place. I simply said the no cash/baggage/etc can be used as a trigger to look for other signs which were OBVIOUS, using my head, on this individual. What are you ing about?
Enjoy your weak politically correct candyland as it gets crotch blown to the ground.
Last edited by EmptyMan; 12-29-2009 at 01:40 PM.
Too bad the 4th amendment doesn't completely apply to locations such as Airports brah.TSA's really going to love my cash-paying, no bag-checking, one-way flying ass next time when I also bring my metal Bill of Rights (that I got at the Penn & Teller Show's giftshop in Vegas) through the metal detector next time I fly.
While I was responding to your post, I was actually making reference to Crookskanks in that sentence you highlighted.LOLLOLOLOL @ you son. The process of profiling as a legitimate tool is obviously common sense. I'm not even arguing this was the dems or reps fault, using my head I am fully aware they don't really care in the first place. I simply said the no cash/baggage/etc can be used as a trigger to look for other signs which were OBVIOUS, using my head, on this individual. What are you ing about?
Enjoy your weak politically correct candyland as it gets crotch blown to the ground.
But since you decided to pick up the ball, tell us, what were the OBVIOUS signs on this individual?
This individual was already on a watch list!
How does the TSA search people in Nigeria?
My God man!!!!!
The watch list "doesn't mean they're convicted of wrongdoing," Lieberman said, but secondary screening and a body search "would've determined that he was carrying explosives."
That makes sense. That said, when I flew back to the US recently I did have to go through metal detectors before boarding, and having my carry-on bags checked. The people that did this was certainly not TSA, IIRC (at least they had no recognizable TSA badges/identification like in the US).
The other question is how many people are on these lists, and wether they've become too large to track and keep up with. Which inevitably leads you to wonder if the terrorists haven't already won by making us spend billions of dollars in stuff like this for a modi sense of security.
isn't cat stevens also on the list? are we going to arrest him now?
(touches nose)
Abdulmutallab and the Obama Mindset
http://spectator.org/archives/2009/1...d-the-obama-mi
When Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was placed on the British government's watch list in May 2009 and banned from entering the country, the U.S. embassy in London (and by extension the U.S. State Department), as well as U.S. intelligence agencies, were notified of this move as part of information-sharing agreements entered into by a number of Western governments after the September 11, 2001 attacks, says a U.S. State Department employee on the condition of anonymity because of concern that by speaking about the situation, their job could be endangered.
"We have agreements with a number of different countries that work with us cooperatively on intelligence matters," says the State Department employee. "A number of the treaties work through our justice departments or foreign offices or intelligence and interior or homeland security agencies. Several departments here in Washington got the information from London and it didn't trigger anything within our own system.
This employee says that despite statements from the Obama Administration, such information was flagged and given higher priority during the Bush Administration, but that since the changeover "we are encouraged to not create the appearance that we are profiling or targeting Muslims. I think career employees were uncomfortable with the Bush procedures and policies and were relieved to not have to live under them any longer."
The Obama Administration is attempting to shift blame for Abdulmutallab, pointing reporters to information that the Nigerian was given a visa by the U.S. embassy in London to travel to the U.S. in 2008, around the same time that he graduated from University College London, a well-respected university. But the State Department source says at that time Abdulmutallab was not on a watch list and traveled to Houston on that visa without incident. A year later, in May 2009, his application for a student visa to return to Britain was rejected because the college Abdulmutallab claimed he would attend was "bogus," and that red flag was shared with U.S. State Department, Homeland Security Department, U.S. Justice Department, and almost certainly U.S. intelligence agencies.
The State source says that several schools, particularly those with ties to the British Muslim community, have come under tighter scrutiny over the past five years, and when foreign nationals with Muslim backgrounds apply to those schools, it is red flag for British security offices.
"I'm not saying that this kind of screw up might not have happened in the Bush Administration," the State source says, referring to the Christmas Day snafu. "I'm just saying that a number of us were encouraged to have a different mindset about such intel and such individuals, and today, we are encouraged not to have that same mindset."
That "leak" isn't about keeping Gitmo open, it's about the Obama administration trying to pass the blame for this on to Bush.
I don't see why it can't be both at the same time.
it's amazing how people are defending this jackass. simply amazing.
i think you're confusing some posters not blaming this admin with a defense of the crotch bomber. i'm sure all of us here regardless of political bent deplore the crotch bomber's actions.
On the list of grievances against the state, profiling for potential terrorists traveling to these United States ranks rather low. Meanwhile the state continues to sodomize us and we're worried that the state might so much as offend non-citizens. So much for all that individuality and what not that all Americans feign to claim as their birthright.
Except, he had a round trip ticket.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/30/pa...ions.html?_r=1
I got as far as the first four pages and find it pretty interesting. May read the rest later, but it's time to get some shut-eye.
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