Player Rankings

[badfish22]

I don't blame hornetfan for not thinking Dirk is that great. His two worst games of the year have been against the hornets lol.

[Findog]

We already had discussion. I gave you statistical proof showing that Paul has more of an impact on the game than Dirk, and you completely disregarded it.

You gave statistical proof that Paul has the ball in his hands 40% of the time. Dirk is the guy I'd rather go to war with NOW. Paul is top 10, not top 5.

Whatever

How is Dwight Howard a top 5 player ahead of Duncan, Dirk and Carmelo? Is it his 1/2 a post move that he came into the league with and hasn't expanded upon? Is it his overrated defense? Is it the way you can just foul him and force him to earn his free throws at the line? Is it the way you can stay home on Orlando's shooters and force him to score 35-40 to try and beat you? He's top 10 because his size and athleticism make him a very good and almost great player. If he actually worked on his game, he would probably be the best player in the league.

[JoeTait75]

1.) LeBron James
2.) Kobe Bryant
3.) Dirk Nowitzki
4.) Carmelo Anthony
5.) Dwayne Wade
6.) Tim Duncan
7.) Kevin Durant
8.) Steve Nash
9.) Chris Paul
10.) Dewey Howard

LeBron's defense isn't quite as consistent as last year but he has stepped up with some monster performances at that end against Tyreke Evans and Joe Johnson. He's also shooting better from outside and getting in the post more often. He needs to get the turnovers down. But overall he's the best player in the NBA and has been for the last 3-4 years. YMMV.

[Findog]

1.) LeBron James
2.) Kobe Bryant
3.) Dirk Nowitzki
4.) Carmelo Anthony
5.) Dwayne Wade
6.) Tim Duncan
7.) Kevin Durant
8.) Steve Nash
9.) Chris Paul
10.) Dewey Howard

LeBron's defense isn't quite as consistent as last year but he has stepped up with some monster performances at that end against Tyreke Evans and Joe Johnson. He's also shooting better from outside and getting in the post more often. He needs to get the turnovers down. But overall he's the best player in the NBA and has been for the last 3-4 years. YMMV.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks those guys are a bit overrated.

[Chieflion]

I don't think Dwyane Wade is top 5 calibre at this point. He basically took 2 steps back as a player from last season.

[Findog]

I don't think Dwyane Wade is top 5 calibre at this point. He basically took 2 steps back as a player from last season.

27, 5 and 6 on 44% shooting for a terrible team and only Beasley that other teams really have to worry about? He has to do everything for them.

[redzero]

I don't blame hornetfan for not thinking Dirk is that great. His two worst games of the year have been against the hornets lol.

Oh, I didn't realize putting Dirk in the top 10 means I don't think he's great.

You gave statistical proof that Paul has the ball in his hands 40% of the time. Dirk is the guy I'd rather go to war with NOW. Paul is top 10, not top 5.

Guys, I think Findog has uncovered a shocking secret in basketball! If a player holds the ball 40% of the time, they are guaranteed to be top three in PER, Win Shares, and Defensive Win Shares. Also, they will have the most assists and steals in the league two years straight, and they will shoot 50% from the field. So, if you want to become a great basketball player, hold the ball the most.

Nice discovery, dumbass.

[JoeTait75]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks those guys are a bit overrated.

It's hard to put Dewey in the top 5 when he literally does not have a single reliable offensive move other than the dunk. I mean, look at what Kendrick Perkins does to him by simply keeping him from getting right on top of the rim.

[BadOdor]

I wonder why paul is doing so ty with a team that should be doing so much better.

Maybe he got figured out and didn't adjust his game? maybe the hornets were a 1-hit wonder?

lol chris paul.

[Findog]

Guys, I think Findog has uncovered a shocking secret in basketball! If a player holds the ball 40% of the time, they are guaranteed to be top three in PER, Win Shares, and Defensive Win Shares. Also, they will have the most assists and steals in the league two years straight, and they will shoot 50% from the field. So, if you want to become a great basketball player, hold the ball the most.

Nice discovery, dumbass.

Just cause I think Dirk > Paul doesn't mean I'm ting on his game. I have Paul at 7 and you have him and Dwight at 4/5, ahead of Dirk, Duncan, and Carmelo. So who is the dumbass again?

[Chieflion]

27, 5 and 6 on 44% shooting for a terrible team and only Beasley that other teams really have to worry about? He has to do everything for them.

Jermaine O'Neal revived himself in Miami. Same goes for Quentin Richardson, who is a huge upgrade over the small forward last year in Miami. Michael Beasley improved. The team record is actually better despite Wade's struggles and his defense took a huge step back.

[redzero]

Just cause I think Dirk > Paul doesn't mean I'm ting on his game. I have Paul at 7 and you have him and Dwight at 4/5, ahead of Dirk, Duncan, and Carmelo. So who is the dumbass again?

You are the dumbass, dumbass. You use that re ed Rondo argument that "Paul gets his stats because he holds the ball all the time." If it was that easy, everybody would be doing it.

And I didn't state anything about you hating his game.

[Findog]

I wonder why paul is doing so ty with a team that should be doing so much better.

Maybe he got figured out and didn't adjust his game? maybe the hornets were a 1-hit wonder?

lol chris paul.

I don't know how to put my finger on it, but even though his assist numbers are gaudy, I think Paul dominates the ball too much for New Orleans. I don't think he makes his teammates better as much as he could. I basically agree with the premise of this post:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/pos...role-superstar

[BadOdor]

You are the dumbass, dumbass. You use that re ed Rondo argument that "Paul gets his stats because he holds the ball all the time." If it was that easy, everybody would be doing it.

And I didn't state anything about you hating his game.

Hornet fan is definitely mad. Damn, he's as defensive about paul as the LG posters about kobe.

[redzero]

Hornet fan is definitely mad. Damn, he's as defensive about paul as the LG posters about kobe.

People on this forum say the same re ed about Paul over and over again. I don't defend Paul in every topic, but I do lots of the time. I'm not so Kobe nuthugger who can't even stand their idol being mentioned in a bad light.

[Findog]

You are the dumbass, dumbass.

u mad?

You use that re ed Rondo argument that "Paul gets his stats because he holds the ball all the time." If it was that easy, everybody would be doing it.

For a guy with his gaudy statistics playing the PG position, he doesn't elevate his teams or win as much as he should. If he's a top 5 player and the best at his position, how did he get locked down by Dahntay Jones and thoroughly outplayed by Billups in the playoffs?

[BadOdor]

u mad?
how did he get locked down by Dahntay Jones and thoroughly outplayed by Billups in the playoffs?

Screw "outplayed", that last game he had what, 3 point and 2 assists or some like that??!! How can you call a guy like that a superstar??!!!

[redzero]

For a guy with his gaudy statistics playing the PG position, he doesn't elevate his teams or win as much as he should. If he's a top 5 player and the best at his position, how did he get locked down by Dahntay Jones and thoroughly outplayed by Billups in the playoffs

Tell me, where would you put Jason Kidd in the list of all time point guards?

[Findog]

Tell me, where would you put Jason Kidd in the list of all time point guards?

On the outer periphery of top ten all time.

[redzero]

On the outer periphery of top ten all time.

So, that means that you think Kidd's 16 points on 40% shooting and 10 assists playoff average is worthy of top ten status? Then I guess Paul's similar statistics against the Nuggets are top ten worthy, too.

And Findog is the guy who claims that he would go to war with Dirk Nowitzki, who managed to lose to a far inferior team in six games. Dirk averaged 19 points on 39% shooting that entire series against the eighth seed Warriors, right? And he was outplayed by Stephen Jackson, who locked him up and rained 3's on him.

Unlike Carmelo, unlike LeBron, unlike Wade, and unlike Paul, Dirk has had the best team in the league. In fact, he's had the best team in the leaue for two years straight. And what did Mr. MVP do? He lost to one man four times straight in the Finals and he lost to the eighth seed the following year.

But he's your warrior--the guy who has shown that he can't get the job done in the most important series of his life.

[BadOdor]

So, that means that you think Kidd's 16 points on 40% shooting and 10 assists playoff average is worthy of top ten status? Then I guess Paul's similar statistics against the Nuggets are top ten worthy, too.

And Findog is the guy who claims that he would go to war with Dirk Nowitzki, who managed to lose to a far inferior team in six games. Dirk averaged 19 points on 39% shooting that entire series against the eighth seed Warriors, right? And he was outplayed by Stephen Jackson, who locked him up and rained 3's on him.

Unlike Carmelo, unlike LeBron, unlike Wade, and unlike Paul, Dirk has had the best team in the league. In fact, he's had the best team in the leaue for two years straight. And what did Mr. MVP do? He lost to one man four times straight in the Finals and he lost to the eighth seed the following year.

But he's your warrior--the guy who has shown that he can't get the job done in the most important series of his life.

Crissy paul deferring to jannero mother ing pargo really showed he takes what it gots as the "man".

[redzero]

Crissy paul deferring to jannero mother ing pargo really showed he takes what it gots as the "man".

And Kobe letting his team blow a 20 point lead in one quarter on biggest stage of them all, shows the kind of leader he really is. Or how about when he tossed up bricks against Detroit? Or quit on his team in an elimination game?

See, I can do it, too.

[BadOdor]

And Kobe letting his team blow a 20 point lead in one quarter on biggest stage of them all, shows the kind of leader he really is. Or how about when he tossed up bricks against Detroit? Or quit on his team in an elimination game?

See, I can do it, too.

Son, this is about chrissy paul deffering to jannero mother ing pargo in an playoff elimination game, not abut kobe bryant.

Hey guys, you remember that time when kobe deffered to smush parker?

[Findog]

So, that means that you think Kidd's 16 points on 40% shooting and 10 assists playoff average is worthy of top ten status? Then I guess Paul's similar statistics against the Nuggets are top ten worthy, too.

Kidd took two teams to the Finals with Neck Lips and Jefferson. Get back to me when Paul has gotten past the second round. Are you ing kidding me with that weak ?

And Findog is the guy who claims that he would go to war with Dirk Nowitzki, who managed to lose to a far inferior team in six games. Dirk averaged 19 points on 39% shooting that entire series against the eighth seed Warriors, right? And he was outplayed by Stephen Jackson, who locked him up and rained 3's on him.

yeah I'd go to war with Dirk Nowitzki. Paul has made it to the second round once. Dirk has won 9 playoff series.

If you want to bring up the Warriors series as some kind of black mark, why does hobbling around on bone spurs count against him, but 121-63 shouldn't count against Chris Paul? Stephen Jackson has never been able to guard a healthy Dirk.

Unlike Carmelo, unlike LeBron, unlike Wade, and unlike Paul, Dirk has had the best team in the league.

Uh, when was that?

In fact, he's had the best team in the leaue for two years straight.

Uh, enlighten me as to when this was?

And what did Mr. MVP do? He lost to one man four times straight in the Finals and he lost to the eighth seed the following year.

Oh, you're talking about 2006-2007 when his two best sidekicks were Josh Howard and Jason Terry, who have 1 All-Star injury replacement selection between them? He hasn't played with an All Star since Nash in 2004. So Dirk was checking Dwyane Wade himself? Dirk was terrible in the last two games of the Finals? Did you watch the 06 Finals?

But he's your warrior--the guy who has shown that he can't get the job done in the most important series of his life.

I'll take his performances in Games 5 and 6 of the Finals anytime. Circa 2006, you couldn't ask for much more, except for Tim Duncan, Dwyane Wade or Kobe Bryant. Wade was a better player at the time. There's no shame in that.

[Findog]

And Kobe letting his team blow a 20 point lead in one quarter on biggest stage of them all, shows the kind of leader he really is. Or how about when he tossed up bricks against Detroit? Or quit on his team in an elimination game?

See, I can do it, too.

No, you can't. Kobe has four rings, including one he got as the best player on his team.