Should marijuana be legalized?

[Marcus Bryant]

whottt is correct.

[whottt]

The Catholic Church, as previously stated, is against the recreational use of soft drugs, let us know if that changes. Until then, for arguments sake, you have no leg to stand on.

You're the one that brought up the Catholic Church, it was never part of my argument.

IOW, it was never a leg I was attempting to stand on.


I've be real wary of attempting to stand on the legs of the Catholic Church if I were you...because at one point the Cathlolic Church routinely tortured and murdered people in order to seize their property.

So does the fluid of elephant dung (for those that like a drink with their pot), you were aware of that, weren't you?

I'm aware that Elephant dung is excrement that comes out of Elephant's asshole and marijuana is a plant made by god, in fact mentioned by him.

And I am willing to bet my last dollar that you would prefer to consume Marijuana over Elephant Dung(or liquid made from it) if presented with the choice.

Why are you are attempting to claim there is no differnce?

Why can you not tell the difference between a plant made by God, and ?

Tastes like crap,

Have you tasted it?

Even if you have...lots of stuff taste like . That doesn't mean it's bad for you.

and unpractical to think that you could/would ingest enough to live on.

100% False.

The Chinese made flower from marijuana seeds.

Additionally, and more to the point of the discussion, it alters the natural function of the brain. For Christians, the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, and is not to be intentionally abused (and I don't want to hear about how bad other edibles are for you, if they're unhealthy, they shouldn't be consumed either).

On the contrary...there is nothing bad about consuming marijuana. It's totally healthy.




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B.S., for every Ricky Williams there are 50,000 doing it for the sole purpose of simply wanting to feel stoned (look up the percentage for yourself).


More commonly know as; "it's party time!"

And that is definitely a spiritual pursuit, whether you realize it or not.

Sober, translated from the Greek as used in the New Testament;

Sober = Nepho - In the NT nepho is used only figuratively meaning to be free from every form of mental and spiritual "intoxication". The idea then is to be calm and collected in spirit, cir spect, self-controlled, well-balanced, clear headed. Be self-possessed (for believers a more accurate description would be "Spirit" possessed) under all cir stances. It speaks of exercising self-restraint (enabled by the Spirit) and being free from excess, from evil passion, from rashness, etc.

Oops!!

Ooops you say?

Definition of the word "nepho":

Abstinence

A. The Greek adjective nephalios and the verb nepho.

1. It is the joining of two words ne “not” and piein “drink”

Ooops.

By the way, I am enjoying your haughty and mocking at ude, reminds me of myself...

But I'm not the one claiming to be a Christian and in touch with God am I?

(See Nepho) Oops!!
(Next time, do your homework).

Already did, it means, not drink.

Knock yourself out.


Not at mine you wouldn't, and for those that serve a nominal amount in the form of communion, it certainly wouldn't have any mind altering affects (actually none) that a couple of drags on a joint would have.

And the effects of marijuana are different than the effects of alcohol.


They are not the same.

The effects of alcohol, in addition to being physically addicting, unlike marijuana, are pretty set.

The effects of marijuana vary.

Sometimes marijuana will make you laugh.
Sometimes it will make you anxious.
Sometimes it will make you depressed.
Sometime it will make you paranoid.
Sometimes if will make you question your ways, your own worth as a person and the way you are living your life.
Sometimes it allows you to focus your mind.
Sometimes it fill you with nothing but inhibition.
Sometimes, it provides anything but a recreational escape.

That is why I consider it to be very much a spiritual plant, as opposed to alcholol which does one thing first and foremost, it takes away inhibitions. That's the main thing it does.


Not the same.

For those that don't claim to serve Jesus Christ; agnostics, athiests, whatever, there are probably some valid reasons for legalizing mj

I am not an atheist or an agnostic.

to each his own, but IMO, to drag Jesus Christ in as an advocate is tantamount to toeing the line of blasphemy (attributing the things of God to Satan and vice versa).

Um, I'm not the one comparing a green herb and it's seed, referenced by God in the first book of the bible and many other thereafter, to Elephant .

That is you that did that.

I don't know where you stand regarding Christianity (I may be incorrect, but you seemed to portray yourself as one when you had what you described as a near death experience 2-3 years ago).
If that's the case, perhaps you might want to back off a bit on the stand you've taken, as blasphemy is, according to Scripture, the only unforgivable sin.
(Consider that as no more than longsuffering, doctrinal exhortation).

False. The unforgivable sin is blashpheming the Holy Spirit. Not God or Jesus.

And I don't believe I am blaspheming anything, I am simply aware of the way man has used religion and revised to meet his own ends(often anything but divine ends) throughout the course of history.


And you're the one that lumps marijuana in with Paxil(a drug and other drugs approved by the FDA). It's you that is failing to make the distinciton between God and Man.

And I would never claim to speak for God...however, if God has ever spoken to me, it most definitely was on the subject and distinction between the plants made by God, and the drugs made by man.

And I'm not just making this argument from a position ignorance, but from a great deal of research(spiritual and academic) and personal experience.


In closing I am going to again, walk past the interpretation of men...and use the words of God directly as spoken:

Genesis 1:11

'Let the earth bring forth the green herb, and such as may seed,
and the fruit tree yielding fruit after its kind,
which may have seed in itself upon the earth.
And it was so done.

Elephant indeed.

[whottt]

These drugs are FDA approved, and when administered under the care of a physician, are proven to be beneficial, so for medicinal purposes, not unlike medical mj, if it assists in the treatment of a disorder, use it.

You lump marijuana in with Paxil and say I am the one attributing the works of God to Satan and vice versa?


Paxil is the very drug I was taking at the point I came to the positions I now have.

If I ever taken a drug that was created by Satan, and is wholly and irideemably evil, it is Paxil.



Trust me...you do God a great disservice by putting his plant in the same classification as Paxil.

They are most definitely not the same thing. God made marijuana period and it can be used in the form he made it. God did not make Paxil.

[whottt]

I don't know where you stand regarding Christianity (I may be incorrect, but you seemed to portray yourself as one when you had what you described as a near death experience 2-3 years ago).

I believe the underlying message of Christianity is a good one. I also believe that message has been twisted and manipulated by men for their own material gain.


Here is what I believe:

Do I believe in God? Yes.

Do I believe Jesus Christ was the Son of God, died on the cross for our sins? Yes.

Do I believe the primary message of Jesus was one of forgiveness? Yes.

Do I believe accepting Jesus as your savior automatically makes you a divine saved person qaulified to lead and judge others according to your intepretation of his teachings? No I do not.

Do I believe being a Christian automatically means you are better than anyone else?

no. In fact I think the message of Christianity is exactly the opposite of that.


Do I believe being a preacher automatically makes one trustworthy and chosen deliverer of the message of god? No I do not.

Do I believe Chritianity is the only religion worthy of God? No I do not.

There are people that have lived and died without ever being aware of Jesus or the Christian/Hewbrew God....so do they all of a sudden not count? They wll go to ?


If that is the will of the God that created us, I want no part of him or any religion associated with him.

I don't believe that.




In fact I consider saying you believe something, just so you won't go to , and can say you are saved over others, to be an act of cowardice.


Furthermore, that are somthing like 500 different sects of Christianity, including some who consdier marijuana to an essential part of being a christian, all with differences and they believe those differences make them the right one, the chosen one...if even the Christians do not agree on what it means to be a Christian? How can anyone else?

The Jews are God's chosen people accoring to the Christian Bible, and they do not believe Jesus Christ was the savior.


And I have seen many many horrible outright evil acts commited by those claiming to be Christians and carrying out the will of God.



And finally, the Bible is full of contradictory messages, it has been translated many times, it has been appropriated by men who did so entirely for the purpose of matertial gain and power, that is something I keep in mind when interpreting it. Nothing said by a man, is taken as the absolute gospel by me.

If that's the case, perhaps you might want to back off a bit on the stand you've taken, as blasphemy is, according to Scripture, the only unforgivable sin.
(Consider that as no more than longsuffering, doctrinal exhortation).

Luke 6:
Judge not and ye shall not be judged.




Just so we know, I am not the one that considers his Father's plants akin to Elephant or a product of Satan when God clearly says he made EVERY PLANT and TREE on Earth in every version of the bible.

It's you that did that.



And once again, Acts 10:

Do not call anything impure that God has made clean

3rd time's the charm.

[jochhejaam]

You're the one that brought up the Catholic Church, it was never part of my argument.

IOW, it was never a leg I was attempting to stand on.


I've be real wary of attempting to stand on the legs of the Catholic Church if I were you...because at one point the Cathlolic Church routinely tortured and murdered people in order to seize their property.

You presented an article written by a renegade Catholic Archbishop, I countered with the position of the Catholic Church (trumped). And you did put up a bit of resistance (“the position of the Catholic Church changes”), however weak it may have been. Thus your response (inept as it was) became part of your argument. Maybe you shouldn’t engage where you can’t make a valid point (your call).

I'm aware that Elephant dung is excrement that comes out of Elephant's asshole and marijuana is a plant made by god, in fact mentioned by him.

And I am willing to bet my last dollar that you would prefer to consume Marijuana over Elephant Dung(or liquid made from it) if presented with the choice.

Why are you are attempting to claim there is no differnce?

The point was that your citing nutritional value of a substance hardly qualifies as Christ’s endorsement for consumption. A wild conclusion, one that in no way qualifies as Jesus’ endorsing recreational use of marijuana (lest you forget, that was the thrust of my original question).

100% False.

The Chinese made flower from marijuana seeds.

Made, as in past tense, no one is making “flour” from marijuana seeds, so yes, it’s impractical.

On the contrary...there is nothing bad about consuming marijuana. It's totally healthy.

There is nothing healthy about having your memory retrieval inhibited, or in having your short term memory weakened (a couple of the effects the THC in mj has on the brain).



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And that is definitely a spiritual pursuit, whether you realize it or not.

Call it whatever you wish, ask the people living in public housing, and they'll tell you they just like getting high, no spiritual end as an objective.

Ooops you say?

Definition of the word "nepho":
Ooops.

By the way, I am enjoying your haughty and mocking at ude, reminds me of myself...

Already did, it means, not drink.

Negative, again (and I won’t post it a third time), here is the definition of sober as translated from the word “nepho” as it pertains to the New Testament;

In the NT nepho is used only figuratively meaning to be free from every form of mental and spiritual "intoxication". The idea then is to be calm and collected in spirit, cir spect, self-controlled, well-balanced, clear headed. Be self-possessed (for believers a more accurate description would be "Spirit" possessed) under all cir stances. It speaks of exercising self-restraint (enabled by the Spirit) and being free from excess, from evil passion, from rashness, etc.
http://www.preceptaustin.org/1_peter_47-13.htm

….oops (said in a non-haughty manner)

The effects of marijuana vary.

Sometimes marijuana will make you laugh.
Sometimes it will make you anxious.
Sometimes it will make you depressed.
Sometime it will make you paranoid.
Sometimes if will make you question your ways, your own worth as a person and the way you are living your life.
Sometimes it allows you to focus your mind.
Sometimes it fill you with nothing but inhibition.
Sometimes, it provides anything but a recreational escape.

Anxious, depressed laughing, paranoid, focused to the point of being unaware of what is going on around you, etc.; Not at all the portrait of the sober (nepho) minded person Christians we are to be, therefore not endorsed by Jesus Christ. eos

False. The unforgivable sin is blashpheming the Holy Spirit. Not God or Jesus.

The three make up the Holy Trinity, to blasphemy one is to do so to all.

Matt. 12 22-37 conveys to us the story of the Pharisees bring a demon possessed man, both blind and mute, Jesus healed the man (empowered by the Holy Spirit) and they accused Jesus of driving the demons out by the power of Satan (beelzebub), this cons uted attributing the works of God to Satan.
In Jesus' ensuing lecture, he warned that this attribution cons uted blasphemy against the Holy Spirit (v 32), and declared it an unforgivable sin.


My point was and is that one should be very careful when they promote Jesus as an advocate of recreational drug use, especially in light of the fact that 99%+ of all Christian affiliations condemn this type of use for Christians.

("Whenever a man thinks he stands firm, let him take heed lest he fall" -Corinthians-).

[whottt]

You presented an article written by a renegade Catholic Archbishop, I countered with the position of the Catholic Church (trumped). And you did put up a bit of resistance (“the position of the Catholic Church changes”), however weak it may have been. Thus your response (inept as it was) became part of your argument. Maybe you shouldn’t engage where you can’t make a valid point (your call).

That man is only a renegade if you look at his views on marijuana. Meanwhile, I can show Pope Sixtus IV, saying slavery was ok, appointing the Dominican Friars to engage in what was known as the Spanish Inquisition and engaging in lots of other un-Christianlike conduct. It's important because the Pope sets the opinion of the Catholic Church. He is not appointed Pop by God, he is appointed Pope by Men.

Those that would appoint a man such as Sixtus IV, and Sixtus IV himself, fit my definition of Renegade, not the views of this Archbishop.

The point was that your citing nutritional value of a substance hardly qualifies as Christ’s endorsement for consumption. A wild conclusion, one that in no way qualifies as Jesus’ endorsing recreational use of marijuana (lest you forget, that was the thrust of my original question).

I didn't attempt to use it as an edorsement by Jesus. I was attempting to prove it's not merely a drug with no value as you attempt to classify it.

You saying Elephant dung has nutritional value and that MJ tastes like hardly qualifies as Christ not endorsing it either.

It also doesn't refute the fact that is has value beyond medicinal.

Made, as in past tense, no one is making “flour” from marijuana seeds, so yes, it’s impractical.

Ahh spelling smack. Tell me, what was the point of that?



And it's not impractical at all, and that's not why they don't use it for flour from MJ seeds. They don't use it because it's illegal.

It is illegal there, and everywhere because men, not God, decreed it be so. That makes a plant created by God, a RENEGADE, and it also artificially drives up the price and forces people to turn to other alternatives, man-made alternatives, for their needs instead of what God provided, and clearly stated he was providing it, for us.

There is nothing healthy about having your memory retrieval inhibited, or in having your short term memory weakened (a couple of the effects the THC in mj has on the brain).

I don't really agree with that. It's a fact that humans themselves on no drugs or no form of intoxication can supress memories. Good memory retrieval is not guaranteed by any action.

And that removal of short term memories and retrieval difficulties could also be easily seen as a clearing of the mind.

Call it whatever you wish, ask the people living in public housing, and they'll tell you they just like getting high, no spiritual end as an objective.

I don't look down on the poor or consider myself to be better than them, just luckier, and I'm not even 100% sure of that. That point means nothing to me. For all I know they live a more spiritual and less materialistic life than you or do. The fact they smoke pot does not indicate the answer for me.

Everyone smoking pot now is told they are doing something wrong...by men, not God. God never said that, and neither did Jesus.

Among my Christian beliefs is that what happens to you in this life is not an indication of your fate in the afterlife. So you saying poor people in projects doesn't mean anything to me.

Negative, again (and I won’t post it a third time), here is the definition of sober as translated from the word “nepho” as it pertains to the New Testament;

In the NT nepho is used only figuratively meaning to be free from every form of mental and spiritual "intoxication". The idea then is to be calm and collected in spirit, cir spect, self-controlled, well-balanced, clear headed. Be self-possessed (for believers a more accurate description would be "Spirit" possessed) under all cir stances. It speaks of exercising self-restraint (enabled by the Spirit) and being free from excess, from evil passion, from rashness, etc.
http://www.preceptaustin.org/1_peter_47-13.htm

….oops (said in a non-haughty manner)

But you see...that's not God saying that is the definition. That is someone interpreting it. That is a man, not god, saying that is the applicable definition. Even though doing so contradicts pretty much every primary defintion of the word.

A man, not God, is saying that definition applies, even though, that is never ever the primary defintion of the word, it's not the primary definiton of sober.

Who is saying that is the correct definition? And what makes him more qualified than the Catholic Archbishop with the PHD?

And when I quote Genesis, there's no intepretation by anyone needed. In fact the only reason to interpret that, is to go against a clearly made statement by God.


God doesn't say he made some of the plants and trees...he says he made them all, he says he made them for us. Period. No ifs ands or butts. Therefore, to my understanding, they are all made by God and meant to be used by us.

And the one he didn't want us to use...was a tree and he was pretty clear which one he was referring to. And it is no longer available to us.

And making any of them now illegal, any of them, goes blatantly, directly and obviously against the will and words of God.

Period.

Anxious, depressed laughing, paranoid, focused to the point of being unaware of what is going on around you, etc.; Not at all the portrait of the sober (nepho) minded person Christians we are to be, therefore not endorsed by Jesus Christ. eos

Yes it is.

Because the two definitions listed for Sober are:

1. Being free from being drunk.
2. Being serious minded and solemn. And Marijuana most definitely can produce that perspective.


Nowhere in the definition of sober, does it say free from the effects of marijuana.

You have to contrive and go to secondary definition of previous versions in languages Jesus never in spoke, interpreted by men, to arrive at the conclusion you arrived at. You have to take about 3-4 steps away from the words of God and Jesus to get the conclusion you got.

The three make up the Holy Trinity, to blasphemy one is to do so to all.

Matt. 12 22-37 conveys to us the story of the Pharisees bring a demon possessed man, both blind and mute, Jesus healed the man (empowered by the Holy Spirit) and they accused Jesus of driving the demons out by the power of Satan (beelzebub), this cons uted attributing the works of God to Satan.
In Jesus' ensuing lecture, he warned that this attribution cons uted blasphemy against the Holy Spirit (v 32), and declared it an unforgivable sin.

And one good quote deserves another:

Matthew 12:30-32: "Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. And so I tell you, people will be forgiven every sin and blasphemy. But the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come."

It's very specific wording used by Jesus there.

Ironically enough, everything I read says blaspheming the holy spirit means calling the work of God the work of the Devil.


God made marjuana....

My point was and is that one should be very careful when they promote Jesus as an advocate of recreational drug use, especially in light of the fact that 99%+ of all Christian affiliations condemn this type of use for Christians.

I don't care what 99% of Christians do. I am not a Christian..at least according to their definition of it. Jesus was not a Christian. Jesus did not coin the phrase or call men who followed him by that name. Was men that came up with that name, and were those men that called the apostles that even Christians themselves?


They are merely men. They are not God, they are not Jesus. And when they directly contradict the word of God as I understand it, and it's pretty plain and simple without need of interpretation to me...the interpretation is needed to go against God IMO, then I will see how what they say compares to what God said...and I go with what I think God said being as honest with myself as I can possibly be.

("Whenever a man thinks he stands firm, let him take heed lest he fall" -Corinthians-).

Exactly. We live in a society where alcohol is freely available as are most man-made drugs, both of which are warned of in the bible, in very specific terms, while a plant that God himself made and referenced is illegal. When he clearly describes it in Genesis as being from him, for us. As it was for millenia prior to 100 years ago or so.


I do not need any help interpreting here, I feel God and the Bible are particularly straight forward and easy to understansd on this. It only gets confusing and contradictory when those who are standing with man against God are forced to re-interpret his words to justify their views.

[jochhejaam]

That man is only a renegade if you look at his views on marijuana.

Well, well, well, there exists a consensus between us that this individual supports lawlessness (we‘ll write it off as the law of averages catching up with us).

I didn't attempt to use it as an edorsement by Jesus. I was attempting to prove it's not merely a drug with no value as you attempt to classify it.

Okay, you’ll be able to provide the quote where I insinuated that mj had no nutritional value then (you won’t of course, because I never said that).

You saying Elephant dung has nutritional value and that MJ tastes like hardly qualifies as Christ not endorsing it either.

Nor was it meant to, it was meant to show the absurdity of you trying to be the Euell Gibbons for MJ.

It also doesn't refute the fact that is has value beyond medicinal.

Nor was it meant too (I supported it for that reason in a previous post. RIF)

Ahh spelling smack. Tell me, what was the point of that?

Not smack, just cleaning up your point (where’s your sense of humor man!?)

And it's not impractical at all, and that's not why they don't use it for flour from MJ seeds. They don't use it because it's illegal.
It is illegal there, and everywhere because men, not God, decreed it be so. That makes a plant created by God, a RENEGADE, and it also artificially drives up the price and forces people to turn to other alternatives, man-made alternatives, for their needs instead of what God provided, and clearly stated he was providing it, for us.

THC is a hallucinogen, that’s why men everywhere have deemed it to be illegal.

I don't really agree with that. It's a fact that humans themselves on no drugs or no form of intoxication can supress memories. Good memory retrieval is not guaranteed by any action.
And that removal of short term memories and retrieval difficulties could also be easily seen as a clearing of the mind.

Whottt’s opinions vs. Settled Science, hmmm, which way do I go…

But you see...that's not God saying that is the definition. That is someone interpreting it. That is a man, not god, saying that is the applicable definition. Even though doing so contradicts pretty much every primary defintion of the word.

A man, not God, is saying that definition applies, even though, that is never ever the primary defintion of the word, it's not the primary definiton of sober.

Who is saying that is the correct definition? And what makes him more qualified than the Catholic Archbishop with the PHD?

Is there some substantial and legitimate disagreement on the scholarly translation in the new testament? I don’t know of any. On the other hand, by your own admission the Archbishop is a renegade regarding MJ usage.

Because the two definitions listed for Sober are:

2. Being serious minded and solemn. And Marijuana most definitely can produce that perspective.

“Can” is the operative, like in; maybe, probably not very often, more often than not, not at all (recreational use does not imply a search for seriousness, or solemnness). It’s senseless to believe that Christians are encouraged to be sober minded, while simultaneously encouraged to ingest something that, for the most part, works against that being sober minded.

Nowhere in the definition of sober, does it say free from the effects of marijuana.

You have to contrive and go to secondary definition of previous versions in languages Jesus never in spoke, interpreted by men, to arrive at the conclusion you arrived at. You have to take about 3-4 steps away from the words of God and Jesus to get the conclusion you got.

You have provided absolutely nothing in the way of an alternative interpretation, only questions without answers. I’ll stick to the scholarly interpretation, thanks.

God made marjuana....

Yes, and he made the brown recluse spider, jelly fish, poison ivy and poison oak, etc., the point being that he made an innumerable (if you’d like to quantify it, go for it) amount of things that we should stay away from, didn’t he. (restating: staying away from MJ, for recreational purposes, is sound advice for Christians, you renegades go ahead and have at it)

I don't care what 99% of Christians do. I am not a Christian..at least according to their definition of it. Jesus was not a Christian. Jesus did not coin the phrase or call men who followed him by that name. Was men that came up with that name, and were those men that called the apostles that even Christians themselves?

No argument here, Christian means Christ-like, not sure what your point is in delving into the semantics of this.

[balli]

Well, well, well, there exists a consensus between us that this individual supports lawlessness (we‘ll write it off as the law of averages catching up with us).


Okay, you’ll be able to provide the quote where I insinuated that mj had no nutritional value then (you won’t of course, because I never said that).


Nor was it meant to, it was meant to show the absurdity of you trying to be the Euell Gibbons for MJ.




Nor was it meant too (I supported it for that reason in a previous post. RIF)


Not smack, just cleaning up your point (where’s your sense of humor man!?)



THC is a hallucinogen, that’s why men everywhere have deemed it to be illegal.





Whottt’s opinions vs. Settled Science, hmmm, which way do I go…



Is there some substantial and legitimate disagreement on the scholarly translation in the new testament? I don’t know of any. On the other hand, by your own admission the Archbishop is a renegade regarding MJ usage.



“Can” is the operative, like in; maybe, probably not very often, more often than not, not at all (recreational use does not imply a search for seriousness, or solemnness). It’s senseless to believe that Christians are encouraged to be sober minded, while simultaneously encouraged to ingest something that, for the most part, works against that being sober minded.




You have provided absolutely nothing in the way of an alternative interpretation, only questions without answers. I’ll stick to the scholarly interpretation, thanks.



Yes, and he made the brown recluse spider, jelly fish, poison ivy and poison oak, etc., the point being that he made an innumerable (if you’d like to quantify it, go for it) amount of things that we should stay away from, didn’t he. (restating: staying away from MJ, for recreational purposes, is sound advice for Christians, you renegades go ahead and have at it)





No argument here, Christian means Christ-like, not sure what your point is in delving into the semantics of this.

You are a piece of and you have no idea what you're talking about. How dare some ass ignorant moron like yourself stand in judgment of marijuana. May God not have mercy on your ed up soul.

[DarrinS]

You are a piece of and you have no idea what you're talking about. How dare some ass ignorant moron like yourself stand in judgment of marijuana. May God not have mercy on your ed up soul.

Pot has certainly done wonders for you.

[z0sa]

Pot has certainly done wonders for you.

i don't understand how balli gets so fired up, it's craziness.

[jochhejaam]

You are a piece of and you have no idea what you're talking about. How dare some ass ignorant moron like yourself stand in judgment of marijuana. May God not have mercy on your ed up soul.

A surprise and expert witness has been called to the stand and has delivered a dagger to the heart of the defense! The prosecution rests it's case (whottt, you have the right to cross-examine the witness).


(Happy New Year to all!)

[balli]

This guy's just such a ing idiot I don't even know where to start- Just scanning over this thread, it's obvious this jackass doesn't have a ing clue what he's talking about. They don't make flour from weed? What's that jar of hemp protein doing on my shelf then, asshole? I mean, you do know that weed is a superfood correct, asshole? More potent in Omega 3 and amino acids than just about any other plant or animal based food source?

And yeah, I'm not going to go back through this thread to change the mind of one idiotic , but I'll just say this: brown recluse spiders are bad ass. They're majestic and divine. Maybe not to smoke, but that isn't their purpose. Don't knock God's creation because you're too dumb to appreciate it.

In conclusion, this jochhejaam is so voluminously re ed that it isn't worth the effort to counter all of his ridiculous assertions. It's just best to call him a ing moron, one more time, before I move on.

[BacktoBasics]

Lots of high quality rants in this thread.

[Ginobilly]

yes it should! Everybody just chill and smoke a J

I smoke to celebrate life and existence in general.

[z0sa]

I'm smoking a fat J right now. I've already taken the days first shots and they were good.

[balli]

I'm smoking a fat J right now. I've already taken the days first shots and they were good.

Happy New Years, z0sa

[z0sa]

Happy New Years, z0sa

Cheers

[MiamiHeat]

Marijuana is the most profitable illegal substance

If you legalize it, and put it in Wal-Marts, or Walgreens, just like regular nicotine cigarettes, the entire crime underworld will take a MASSIVE hit.

It will weaken them so badly, they will be crippled. The average person really does not even touch the hard drugs like cocaine, but they do marijuana....

take it away from the criminals, tax it to generate income....

Tons of positives. Do it

[boutons_deux]

The Year In Pot: Top 10 Events That Will Change the Way We Think About Marijuana

By Paul Armentano, NORML
Posted on January 1, 2010, Printed on January 1, 2010
http://www.alternet.org/story/144896/


#1 Obama Administration: Don’t Focus On Medical Marijuana Prosecutions
United States Deputy Attorney General David Ogden issued a memorandum to federal prosecutors in October directing them to not “focus federal resources … on individuals whose actions are in clear and unambiguous compliance with existing state laws providing for the medical use of marijuana.” The directive upheld a campaign promise by President Barack Obama, who had previously pledged that he was “not going to be using Justice Department resources to try to cir vent state laws on this issue.” Read the full story here.

#2 Public Support For Legalizing Pot Hits All-Time High
A majority of U.S. voters now support legalizing marijuana, according to a national poll of 1,004 likely voters published in December by Angus Reid. The Angus Reid Public Opinion poll results echo those of separate national polls conducted this year by Gallup, Zogby, ABC News, CBS News, Rasmussen Reports, and the California Field Poll, each of which reported greater public support for marijuana legalization than ever before. Read the full story here.

#3 Lifetime Marijuana Use Associated With Reduced Cancer Risk
The moderate long-term use of cannabis is associated with a reduced risk of head and neck cancer, according to the results of a population-based control study published in August by the journal Cancer Prevention Research. Authors reported, “After adjusting for potential confounders (including smoking and alcohol drinking), 10 to 20 years of marijuana use was associated with a significantly reduced risk of head and neck squamous cell carcinoma.” Read the full story here.

#4 AMA Calls For Review Of Marijuana’s Prohibitive Status
In November, the American Medical Association resolved that marijuana should longer be classified as a Schedule I prohibited substance. Drugs classified in Schedule I are defined as possessing “no currently accepted use in treatment in the United States.” In a separate action, the AMA also determined, “Results of short term controlled trials indicate that smoked cannabis reduces neuropathic pain, improves appe e and caloric intake especially in patients with reduced muscle mass, and may relieve spasticity and pain in patients with multiple sclerosis.” Read the full story here.

#5 California: Lawmakers Hold Historic Hearing On Marijuana Legalization
State lawmakers heard testimony in October in support of taxing and regulating the commercial production and distribution of cannabis for adults age 21 and older. Additional hearings, as well as a vote on Assembly Bill 390: the Marijuana Control, Regulation, and Education Act, are scheduled for January 12, 2010. Read the full story here.

#6 Maine Voters Approve Medical Marijuana Dispensaries Measure; Dispensaries Coming To Rhode Island, Washington, DC In 2010
Voters in November decided in favor of a statewide measure that allows for the state to license non-profit facilities to distribute medical cannabis to qualified patients. The vote marked the first time that citizens ever approved a statewide ballot proposal authorizing the creation of dispensaries. In June, Rhode Island lawmakers enacted a similar measure. In December, Congress lifted federal restrictions to allow for the DC City Council to implement provisions of a ten-year-old medical marijuana law that would allow for the use and distribution of medicinal cannabis in the District of Columbia. Read the full story here.

#7 Oakland: Voters Approve First-In-The-Nation Medical Marijuana Business Tax
In July 80 percent of municipal voters approved Ballot Measure F, the nation’s first ever business tax on the retail sales of cannabis. The tax, which takes effect on January 1, imposes an exclusive tax for “cannabis businesses” of $18 for every $1,000 of gross receipts. Read the full story here.

#8 Rasmussen Poll: Majority Of Americans Say Marijuana Is Safer Than Alcohol
More than half of American adults believe that alcohol is “more dangerous” than marijuana, according to the results of a national telephone poll of 1,000 likely voters published in September by Rasmussen Reports. Fifty-one percent of respondents, including a majority of women, rated the use of marijuana to be less dangerous than alcohol. Only 19 percent of those polled said that cannabis is the more dangerous of the two substances. Read the full story here.

#9 Many Teens See Medical Cannabis As Alternative Treatment Option
Some one-third of adolescents view their use of marijuana as therapeutic rather than recreational, according to survey data published in May by the journal Substance Abuse, Treatment, Prevention and Policy. Teens most commonly reported using cannabis therapeutically to counter symptoms of depression, stress and anxiety, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), physical pain, and sleeplessness. In November several mainstream media outlets, including The New York Times and Good Morning America, featured stories on adolescents using marijuana as a medicine. Read the full story here.

#10 Oregon NORML Opens ‘Cannabis Café,’ Media Frenzy Follows
In November Oregon NORML opened the state’s first café catering to state-authorized medical marijuana patients. Unlike conventional marijuana dispensaries that operate in states like California and Colorado, medical cannabis is not sold on the premises, nor is the primary function of the café to dispense marijuana. “This is not a medical marijuana dispensary with a café; this is a café for medical marijuana patients,” said Madeline Martinez, Oregon NORML Executive Director. The Associated Press, Reuters, USA Today, The New York Times, and Democracy Now were among the hundreds of media outlets that covered the story. Read the full story here.

Paul Armentano is the deputy director of NORML (the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws), and is the co-author of the book Marijuana Is Safer: So Why Are We Driving People to Drink (2009, Chelsea Green).
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Ain't gonna happen, because BigPharma and "Christian" hate-mongering, closed-minded militants will buy enough politicians who typically "lead" the country by being decades behind social change.

It's with great pleasure I read that gay-hater Orange County Rick Warren is $1M short and grovelling for donations. Seems like people afford to donate only when it doesn't hurt.

[benefactor]

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THC is a hallucinogen, that’s why men everywhere have deemed it to be illegal.

This has got to be a myth. I have smoke countless pounds of weed and I have never once came close to a hallucination...nor have any of the people I spent years smoking with. We are not talking about smoking wet here.

[benefactor]

Jesus Christ endorses smoking pot?

He drank plenty of wine....to the point that people might accuse him of being a "drunkard". Weed is actually safer than alcohol.

[boutons_deux]

"He drank plenty of wine" wine, beer, liquors have for centuries been alternatives to pathogenic water.

One the biggest corporate crimes, eg Nestle, has been encouraging poor women to use bad water with synthetic nursing powder to make formula, instead of breast nursing.

[jochhejaam]

This has got to be a myth. I have smoke countless pounds of weed and I have never once came close to a hallucination...nor have any of the people I spent years smoking with. We are not talking about smoking wet here.

It's not a myth, you just don't have a full understanding of the definition of hallucinogen.

hallucinogen - A psychoactive drug that induces hallucinations or altered sensory experiences

[benefactor]

It's not a myth, you just don't have a full understanding of the definition of hallucinogen.

hallucinogen - A psychoactive drug that induces hallucinations or altered sensory experiences

Then alcohol is also a hallucinogen...and a perfectly legal one at that.

[balli]

In addition to alcohol, by that definition so's caffeine. And sugar. And ginseng. And Red Bull Energy Drink. And turkey, after all, that tryptophan is always ing up my sensory experiences. Same with running. Those damn runners what with their hallucinogenic runner's highs and all. They should all be locked up.

God, that jochhejaam guy is just a clueless, ignorant, moronic . I bet when he was in high school some stoner took his lunch money every day.