Kobe made an open 3, whoop de do.
The more important point, what was Casspi (he was the double-teamer, no?) thinking? Sheed fail.
Oh and because the stast say So Lebron is OFFICIALLY the best player in the NBA in fact since he is doing this at 25 he is OFFICIALLY better than MJ right now his stats because of teh assists and FG% are better so LEBRON>MJ!!!! Cp3>Magic Dirk>Bird Jennings>Isiah ....
Balance stats vs. what I see? Look, I'm not even that much of a stats guy, there are plenty of metrics I find useless or misleading and I take my personal observations over stats any day, but this is merely a counting. It's like saying that FT% can lie and you have to balance it with your observation. BS. A guy takes X free-throw attempts and he makes Y of them.
Steve Nash is better than CP3 ...
FG% FT% and assits are ALL better than Cp3 ...NASH is > Magic!!!
I didn't realize that the numbers posted started on 2003. That would probably explain the differences. Add the first four years of Kobe's career and the 3 or 4 he's made this year... and there is your 12.
No problem...
Congratulations on your team's victory, Lakerfan.
Udoka is a 79% FT shooter but I BET you MANY spur fans and Blazer fans could of told you he would miss ...
But that's the point maybe his FT% is better than Caspi or Hawes (don't know) but I bet his coach would of rather had Udrih, Hawes or Caspi on the line ...
Derek Fisher sucks ass on defense but Id rather have him take that late 3 rather than Shannon Brown i dont need stats to tell me that ...
Non sequitur. I'm not using Kobe's FG%. Is Udoka a 79%FT shooter in clutch time?
http://www.dolem.com/kobe/ - list of Kobe's game winning shots. There's 25 of them through Dec 17, 2009. (Not that this site is an awesome source or anything).
Here is 27 to look at +1 tonight = 28
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sv4MNTXDgE
I too saw this six thousand miles away!!!
Great shot there by Kobe. Let's hope that he isn't exhausted.
Hey if they lose to the Mavs, they have a good excuse....
There are websites dedicated to Kobe's buzzer beaters?! LOL God damn..no wonder this perception exists..the media hype is even stronger than I thought..somebody should make a website about his misses..
Here's another list that was compiled in 2008.
Kobe Bryant
(1) 05/10/00 - Lakers 97 - Phoenix 96 (playoffs)
(2) 06/14/00 - Lakers 120 - Pacers 118 (playoffs)
(3) 11/16/00 - Lakers 112 - Kings 110
(4) 02/07/01 - Lakers 85 - Phoenix 83
(5) 02/13/01 - Lakers 113 - Nets 110
(6) 01/02/02 - Lakers 87 - Nuggets 86
(7) 02/22/02 - Lakers 96 - Hornets 94
(8) 05/12/02 - Lakers 87 - Spurs 85 (playoffs)
(9) 12/06/02 - Lakers 105 - Dallas 103
(10) 04/04/03 - Lakers 102 - Grizzlies 101
(11) 04/06/03 - Lakers 115 - Suns 113
(12) 12/19/03 - Lakers 101 - Nuggets 99
(13) 02/17/04 - Lakers 89 - Blazers 86
(14) 03/21/04 - Lakers 104 - Bucks 103
(15) 04/14/04 - Lakers 105 - Blazers 104
(16) 03/12/05 - Lakers 117 - Bobcats 116
(17) 11/02/05 - Lakers 99 - Nuggets 97
(18) 01/07/06 - Lakers 112 - Clippers 109
(19) 01/13/06 - Lakers 99 - Cavaliers 98
(20) 04/30/06 - Lakers 99 - Suns 98 (playoffs)
(21) 01/14/08 - Lakers 123 - Seattle 121
Michael Jordan
(1) Nov. 11, 1984 vs. Indiana, 118-116
(2) Dec. 7, 1984 vs. New York, 95-93
(3) April 24, 1985 vs. Milwaukee, 109-107
(4) Nov. 11, 1986 vs. Atlanta, 112-110
(5) Nov. 21, 1986 vs. New York, 101-99
(6) April 15, 1988 vs. New Jersey, 100-99
(7) Feb. 16, 1989 vs. Milwaukee, 117-116
(8) May 7, 1989 vs. Cleveland, 101-100
(9) May 27, 1989 vs. Detroit, 99-97
(10) Nov. 13, 1990 vs. Utah, 84-82
(11) Jan. 22, 1992 vs. Charlotte, 115-112
(12) Nov. 11, 1992 vs. Detroit, 98-96 (OT)
(13) May 17, 1993 vs. Cleveland, 103-101
(14) March 25, 1995 vs. Atlanta, 99-98
(15) Feb. 11, 1997 vs. Charlotte, 103-100
(16) June 1, 1997 vs. Utah, 84-82
(17) February 13, 1998 vs. Atlanta, 112-110
(18) March 22, 1998 vs. Toronto, 102-100
(19) June 14, 1998 vs. Utah, 87-86
(20) December 22, 2001 vs. New York, 87-86
(21) January 31, 2002 vs. Cavaliers, 93-92
(22) February 15, 2002 vs. Suns, 97-96
Look I'm NOT saying you did. My point is you pulled out stats to counter the Op's thread about Kobe's shot. My point is I dont NEED numbers to know Derek Jeter is clutch maybe someone if you show me numbers is MORE clutch but as a Angels/Dodgers/Red sox supporter the LAST guy I want to see up is Jeter. I know his stats in clutch are good are they the best? I HAVE NO IDEA but I'd guess matsui was even More clutch last year BUT id rather have him beat me. I bet Fisher and Horry are MORE efficient but if i was an opposing coach I could sleep at night if those guys beat me ...that is why they were open ... and Kobe HAS passe dmany of the clutch shots to those guys.
Same with Brady or manning maybe Phillip Rivers is more "efficient" but I dont want brady or manning driving against my team late ...I dont need to see figures to know this ...
Kobe is the NBA Jeter, Brady ...
Good find. This means that Kobe had 3 more winning shots to add to his totals. Even in the extremely unlikely scenario that he didn't miss a single one since February, that would put him with
17 winning game shots
59 attempts
29%
One would probably need a dedicated server and full-time employers.
Thanks Kori for this but I dont even think Kobe should be compared to Mj (and Im a Laker fan) or even Magic ...just Lebron, melo pierce etc.
I'm not one of those Kobe>mj guys ...I also Love Lebron's game just not the dancing and prancing crap ...
that 29% would be by far the clutchest mother er on your team
Stats again ... but gain that number is skewed with 24 seconds used but whatever point is he has made over 20 game winners ...
Why don't some people just come out (like some Spur fans have) and say:
Kobe is great he MAY be the best player he is clutch (maybe not #1) but I JUST DON't Like him!!!!!
Because:
a- Colorado
b- Game 7 vs. Phoenix
c- He is arrogant
d- He is NOT on my team
e- People say he is better than my favorite player X (but I know in my heart it's not true!!!
f- He hit a game winner against my favorite team to break my heart
I would respect more of these arguments if they didnt have such a biased emo tone to them ...if it was just stats Id understand ...
What do you mean by best player though? You want us to say he has been the best player of the decade like ESPN are trying to say? or do you mean you want us to say he is the best player right now?
I'll never say he is better than Tim Duncan. I have seen Tim Duncan dominate the game on both sides of the ball all season. Offensively I have seen Tim carry the load for the whole season and also defensively for the whole season, then add the playoffs to that too to lead us to Championships. He's also been pretty clutch for a bigman too.
When we used to play the Lakers in 2001-2003 I was never that worried about Kobe as I was Shaq. He was the guy we had to try and contain and when you look at some of the stats I think we did a good job on him (Shaq) a few times, and by concentrating on Shaq so much that would leave Kobe with a lot more space to do his thing.
Pretty much up to 2007 I would never pick Kobe over Duncan to start a team with ever. From 2008 up until now I would think about it though.
Last edited by Ice009; 01-02-2010 at 04:03 AM.
Tim Duncan's Spurs have won more games than any team in the 00's.
The Spurs ended the decade with 574 wins, the most for any NBA team over the past 10 years. Only two teams in NBA history had more wins in any decade. Both did it in the 1980s: the Lakers (584) and Celtics (580).
Worry foremost about the team that takes you this year - the surging Spurs.
Kobe the rapist needs a good whipping
Change your post much?
Stay Classy Hornets Fan.
Well at least CP3 enjoyed the show tonight.
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