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Kobe Bryant has hit his fair share of game-winners this season and Lakers coach Phil Jackson compares him to Michael Jordan.
"These players -- I don't know how they get themselves into those positions, but they do an unbelievable job of hitting shots that are remarkable shots, marvelous shots," Jackson said after Bryant beat the Kings with a buzzer-beating three-pointer on Friday night.
"He's right there with Michael [Jordan] in that kind of breath you look at."
Jackson coached Jordan in Chicago and the pair won six championships together.
He has won four les with Bryant in Los Angeles.
It's funny that he had to say "in that kind of breath"..and who cares?..obviously Phil is going to say like this when it's HIS CURRENT PLAYER..
does everybody remember the Phil said about Kobe when he wasn't coaching?..it was pretty horrible stuff and very telling about Kobe..
numbers don't lie..
Cool story, ashraf.
Last night was not that marvelous or difficult of a shot. He was WIDE OPEN.
But he had put on the proper work to get open so maybe that's where the marvel comes from.
Or maybe MJ > KOBE no matter what the situation was?
Brah I didn't say that Kobe is greater than Jordan, and neither did Phil. He's in the same breath, not in a new or higher level.
The main difference between Kobe and MJ is that MJ was clutch when it mattered the most. From the start of the regular season, all the way through the finals. Now, Kobe is clutch, but can he carry a team the way MJ did in the finals? Yes he had Pippen, but Pippen wasn't a center, and one of the most dominant centers of all time that Kobe had.
Pippen was considered to be the best player in the game during one of Jordan's retirements. It's hilarious to hear people backpeddling and downplaying Pippen when Kobe's name comes up.
The Bulls won with defense and always had three players who were NBA all-defensive team members on their championship teams. Kobe never had the defensive talent around him that Jordan did. Jordan won without a great center because the Bulls had superior defenders.
You can laugh all you want but it's only because you weren't there. I was following the NBA at the time and what I am saying is 100% true. Many people said Pippen was the best all-around player in the game the year Pippen took the Bulls to 55 wins without Jordan. The Bulls went to game 7 of the semi-finals that year and lost game 7 on a bad ref call. With Pippen leading them they were essentially a conference finals team. Yes, he was that good.
The main difference between Kobe and MJ is that MJ had to carry a losing franchise on his back for the first several seasons of his career. He had to do EVERYTHING for that team just to make it respectable. As brilliant and accomplished as Kobe is, he's never had to deal with that type of pressure. He came into a great situation with a great franchise and didn't have to be the Man right away.
Not seeing your point. That's exactly what Kobe had to do in the mid 00's.
Many people thought Pippen was the most versatile player in the NBA, hence the "all-around" comments..the majority of people did NOT think he was better than Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing or Malone, just to name a few..those guys aren't arguable..then there's a few others..
NOBODY EVER(majority) considered Scottie Pippen to be the best player in the NBA..it simply never happened, sorry..
Check the MVP voting that year to see you are wrong. I didn't say the majority because I don't know what the percentage was. I said many people considered Pippen to be the best player in basketball during a certain point of his career. I was there. You weren't or you wouldn't be saying it wasn't true. A large segment of people felt Pippen was the second best player in the NBA behind Jordan during some of the Bulls championships.
Last edited by namlook; 01-02-2010 at 08:26 PM.
Sure, after he'd been in the league for several years and won three championships. But he didn't have to step into that situation from the jump like MJ did. It would have been interesting to see how Kobe would have handled that.
What's the point? Who cares if Jordan played on bad teams.
he was #3 in one year and #7 in one year..I fail to see your point..
not only is MVP not an indication at all of the best player in the NBA, but Pippen never even won one..
LOL @ namlook changing his post..
LOL at HarlemHeat37 looking like a .
The point is many people held Pippen's game in very high regard. he was first team all NBA and 1st team all-defense multiple seasons. Anyone that downplays Pippen's game is a complete joke.
So now I'm downplaying Pippen's game because I said he was never the best player in the NBA?..
Obviously Pippen was a great player..he's one of the most versatile players of all-time, and a top 3 perimeter defender of all-time, if not the best perimeter defender..
I only commented on him because YOU said he was considered to be the best player in the NBA, which is just a ridiculous comment when guys like Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, Malone and Shaq are around and in their primes(minus Shaq)..
It matters because championships are given such importance in any discussion of who the greatest players are. And if the number of rings matters, how far a player had to go to get those rings matters as well.
I am stating a fact that I know to be true:
MANY PEOPLE FELT PIPPEN WAS THE BEST PLAYER IN BASKETBALL WHEN JORDAN RETIRED AND THE BULLS WON 55 GAMES. MANY PEOPLE ALSO FELT PIPPEN WAS THE SECOND BEST PLAYER IN BASKETBALL DURING SOME OF THE BULLS CHAMPIONSHIPS.
If you dispute that many people felt this way you either weren't following basketball at the time and you are speaking out of ignorance, or you are lying.
ok
so
do the Laker fans want us to bash Kobe again?
Why are there 3-5 threads about Kobe again in the NBA forum, made by laker fans?
BULL .
Jordan was whining like a baby at management and his teammates when the Bulls were losing. Here's a few of his quotes:
Whining about management:
"Five more years and I'm out of here. I'm marking these days on a calendar, like I'm in jail. I'm tired of being used by this organization, by the league, by the writers, by everyone."
"They're not interested in winning. They just want to sell tickets, which they can do because of me. They won't make any deals to make us better. And this Kukoc thing. I hate that. They're spending all their time chasing this guy."
"If I were a general manager, we'd be a better team."
"I know what's gonna happen. We'll wait until the last minute and then they'll say something like they couldn't get a deal done because of the cap or somebody pulled out at the last minute. It happens here all the time. I don't know why I'm surprised every year."
Whining about teammates:
"They've got no idea what it's all about. The white guys, they work hard, but they don't have the talent. And the rest of them? Who knows what to expect? They're not good for much of anything."
"I hate when I have to read that in the papers the next day, that I couldn't do something. It wasn't my fault."
"You're an idiot. You've screwed up every play we ever ran. You're too stupid to even remember the plays. We ought to get rid of you." - Michael to Horace Grant
"I hate being out there with those garbagemen. They don't get you the ball."
"If you [pass the ball to Bill Cartwright], you'll never get the ball from me."
"He can't do anything with the ball. Don't give it to him." - Michael yelling at Paxson who passed the ball to Perdue
"I'm sure everything will be fine if we win, but if we start losing, I'm shooting."
Yeah Jordan really sucked it up didn't he? LOL.
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