I haven't followed this thread after my initial insertion that it should be legal.
How many people have disagreed?
1
FWIW Cobra, I know we've had our share of disagreements and find lots of personal failings in one another, but far more than some of the other board DE's, I think of you as a worthy adversary and it's mainly because we can agree on marijuana. The common ground is a good thing, because no matter how ing crazy and or evil we think the other is, hey, at least we can agree on the one thing that should be agreed upon by EVERYONE. Which gives me hope.
Really? One?
Who was that? We need to straiten him/her out.
Funny thing, I just looked for my post on the issue. Didn't find it here. Was there another similar thread recently?
Anyway, I say that the natural gifts from God should be enjoyed in moderation.
By the strict sense of the definition, alcohol and cigarettes are hallucinogens.
Weed doesn't have that much of a sensory alteration. Yes, a very mild hallucinogen, but far from dangerous.
Whottt tried his damnedest. And I just got too pissed, per usual. But if you think it's a battle worth fighting, knock yourself out.
By the strict definition, alcohol is not a hallucinogen, it's a depressant.
And fwiw, I smoked mj for about 5 years (many years removed from it).
By your definition, it absolutely is, since it clearly does alter sensory experiences. That's an incredibly weak argument that you're making saying something doesn't fit one category only because it does another.
That's what I was thinking.
Thanks. I think you explained it better.
I'm not sure what part of "second hand smoke is harmful" you aren't getting.
If the owner has no problem with me slapping you in the face then get the out and go to a non-slapping bar, you ing hypocrite.
I'm not surprised you go to re conventions.
Last edited by Blake; 01-03-2010 at 06:25 AM.
I'm not sure why you want to get owned over here too...but ok.
I like you, even if you are an idiot.CORPUS CHRISTI — Corpus Christi’s bars aren’t selling as much booze as last year, but it’s unclear whether a recent smoking ban, the recession or other factors are the primary cause.
Alcohol sales at Corpus Christi’s bars and restaurants were, on average, down by about $3,000 per establishment this August compared with last August. The drop equates to about an 8 percent drop in alcohol sales overall.
When only considering alcohol sales at bars and pool halls, the average drop in sales is about $4,800 per bar for August.
Those numbers come from the alcohol tax receipts reported to the state comptroller’s office. Statewide, tax receipts indicated a 1 percent dip in alcohol sales when comparing this August with last.
Although some bar owners say the smoking ban is to blame, spending in the city is down overall.
Sales on taxable goods, which include most items except groceries, were down 13.4 percent from the same period last year, said Constance Sanchez, the city’s interim finance director.
Statewide, sales tax revenue dropped about 12 percent so far this year compared with the same period the previous year, said R.J. DeSilva, a spokesman for the state comptroller’s office.
Alcohol tax revenue has stayed relatively flat, he said.
DeSilva said the comparison of August 2008 receipts to August 2009 receipts could accurately show a decline in sales, although comparing a full year could show more accurate long-term trends.
The city hasn’t gone a full year without smoking in bars.
The City Council in December extended the ban on smoking in public places to include bars, pool halls and bingo parlors, and it took effect in June. It expanded a ban approved in January 2005, which extended a long-standing ban on smoking in workplaces to include restaurants.
Businesses that accommodate smokers with an ashtray or customers who light up indoors could face a $2,000 fine under the ordinance. City officials said no citations have been issued since the ban took effect.
The declines have hurt some businesses to the point that employees say they may have to close.
Theo’s Billiard Saloon, 5815 Weber Road, saw a 37 percent drop in its August alcohol sales compared with the previous year, according to the tax receipts.
Pool hall staff member Josh Kurz said the dramatic drop came after the smoking ban went into effect. The pool hall has no way to build an outdoor smoking area because it’s in a strip center. If sales don’t improve, the pool hall will close in February when its lease is up, he said.
“I hear customers complaining,” he said. “I’d imagine (the sales drops) are because of the smoking ban.”
Pool halls like Theo’s saw the most dramatic declines in alcohol sales.
Alcohol sales dropped 49 percent at Hot Shots Pools and Billiards, 4951 Ayers St., 20 percent at Paradise Pool and Billiards, 5141 Oakhurst Drive, 14 percent at Click’s Billiards, 4535 S. Padre Island Drive, and 11 percent at Rascal’s, 5959 Williams Drive.
And although most bars across the city have seen their alcohol sales drop, some are bringing in more money than the previous year.
Molly McArdle’s, 4201 McArdle Road, saw its alcohol sales increase 71 percent and Outta Bounds Sports Lounge, 1402 Rodd Field Road, saw its sales go up 40 percent.
The mixed reaction makes it difficult to say what effect the smoking ban has on businesses.
Cities that have passed smoking bans have conducted studies that found prohibiting smoking in bars doesn’t impact alcohol sales. Owners of bars and pool halls have produced their own studies, claiming the bans hurt their business.
Across the state, recent alcohol sales trends are varied.
In Abilene, where a smoking ban has been in effect for more than three years, alcohol sales dropped by 13 percent from August 2008 to August 2009.
In San Antonio, which doesn’t ban smoking in bars, alcohol sales dropped 2 percent.
Other cities that ban smoking in bars saw alcohol sales go up in the past year: Plano’s sales increased by 12 percent, Austin’s increased by 2 percent and El Paso’s increased by 1 percent.
Corpus Christi alcohol sales:
August 2008: $6.4 million
August 2009: $5.9 million
Cities’ August 2009 alcohol sales
Austin: up 2%
El Paso: up 1%
McAllen: up 9%
Plano: up 12%
San Antonio: down 2%
Abilene: down 13%
Corpus Christi: down 8%
Statewide: down 1%
Source: state comptroller
August 2009 compared with August 2008
Source: state comptroller
The city’s ban prohibits smoking in bars, pool halls, bowling alleys and most bingo halls. It expanded a ban approved in January 2005, which extended a long-standing ban on smoking in workplaces to include restaurants.
http://www.caller.com/news/2009/oct/...r-smoking-ban/
so you're ok with me slapping you in the owner ok'ed slapping bar
cmon in.
BB, those are not "my" definitions, they are "the" definitions. Your personal feelings on the two, does not alter that.
So, once again, the "facts" are that alcohol is a depressant, and THC (mj) is a hallucinogen. Unless you have some new scientific evidence to the contrary, you do not have a valid argument (it's incredibly weak).
That you can get smashed on both does not put them in the same classification.
Whose facts are they? Do you deny alcohol alters sensory experiences? Unless you do, you're clearly not applying your definition of hallucinogen consistently. You're just picking and choosing, calling one a hallucinogen because it fits some guideline and then ignoring that same guideline elsewhere. Your argument makes no logical sense; just admit you have painted yourself into a corner.
No problem, and it takes a big man to admit that BB.
So you officially wave the white flag with regard to your cherry-picking?
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