I guarantee you I watched MJ play more than you. Kobe is just as good - basketball skill wise. Superior in some aspects. Less superior in some other, most notably physical aspects (small hands for example). Jordan could palm that like a baseball.
Jordan IS better. I am not insecure about Kobe's status as one of the game's greats. He may not pass Jordan but who cares? He's got his own impressive resume.
LOL @ other fans storming this thread just because Phil Jackson made such comments about Kobe catching up to MJ. LMAO.
You can't compare stats across different eras. Also Kobe started at 17 which affect his stats like PPG. When it's all said and done if Kobe has 6 or 7 rings, basketball history will put him right next to Jordan. Like it or not, that is what will happen.
I'd wait to see what Jackson says after he stops coaching Kobe. Likewise for SVG and Howard/Mourning. Just sayin...
Finals MVP's = 1
The first 3 rings = sidekick
Not in the same class as even Magic yet.
A better debate would be LeBron vs Kobe
LeBron is the best player in the league right now, and has been for the past 2-3 seasons.
Give it up namlook. When it comes to Kobe, many here as illustrated above just plain hate and have blinders on. When it comes to Jordan the blinders suddenly get reversed. Most of them probably never actually saw him play a full game. Just the MTV generation relying on highlights and conjecture to support their OPINIONS.
Jordan and Kobe are both great players. Played in different eras with different rules and different level of compe ion. Impossible to compare. If Kobe went on to win 5 more les, 5 MVPS, ended with the most points scored and highest shooting % you will still see the haters come up with somthing to discredit the accomplishments much like how many result to the rape card when they have run out of argument. Both guys were or are great players. Both guys are egotistical jerks as well.
The whole GOAT thing is purely opinion. Personally, I dont think either is in the top 2 but that's my opinion. And I could put up arguments to support it right or wrong.
Let the haters hate and just enjoy their jealousy and misery.
If Lebron never wins a ring he will be the next McGrady.
Basketballreference.com
or could it be, that Kobe only has 1 Finals MVP,
has never shot 50% or better in a season,
has only 2 scoring les,
and you are trying to place him above
10 scoring les,
DPOY, 6 Finals MVP's,
5 league MVP's,
and 7 seasons of shooting 50% or better?
a guy that DOMINATED the NBA and it was crystal clear nobody could even TOUCH MJ? Kobe doesn't even come CLOSE to that level. He's not feared like MJ, not even close. A ton of people think LeBron > Kobe, and the stats show it.
Get out of here with your garbage.
You can't rely on stats to make arguments across generations. The rules and compe ion were different. If you didn't see both Jordan and Kobe play you should just STFU.
Stats do not show the whole picture.
lol@ laker fans
they are so stupid, even in the face of HUGE adversity, they think there is a conspiracy against them
it CAN'T be that their fake ass star is not even close to being near MJ
Yeah a better debate:
Finals MVP = 0
rings = 0
Owning yourself comes easy Miami!
No I'm not trying to place Kobe above Jordan. I'm actually a lot more objective than you.
If Kobe wins 6 or 7 rings I will put him on equal footing with Jordan. Kobe would need to do something crazy like win 8 rings before I put him above Jordan.
Ok, so then you admit Kobe is not near MJ
about time, you delusional person you.
do whatever the you want
The rest of us will think you are wrong, and you can keep talking till your blue in the face.
I want to see 7 Finals MVPs, 8 scoring les in a row, DPOY, 6-7 seasons shooting 50% or better, and a complete DOMINATION of the NBA, where it's clear NOBODY can even TOUCH you. MILLIONS of people right now believe LeBron > Kobe. It's quite fact. LeBron on that Laker team?? OOOH BOY
Riding Shaq to 3 rings doesn't count. I don't care how well Kobe played, Shaq was the one being double and triple teamed. Being an alpha dog is completely different than being 2nd option.
10 scoring les,
DPOY, 6 Finals MVP's,
5 league MVP's,
and 7 seasons of shooting 50% or better?
There is a reason why this argument is not worth having for another 4-5 years..Just give MJ his god damn recognition & get on with the show
Kobe is near MJ. He's only 31 and Jordan won three rings after the age of 30. If Kobe wins no more rings, Jordan is clearly a step above. If Kobe wins three more after the age of 30 like Jordan did, he's at Jordan's level. All you haters and whine and cry about it all you want but history will put Kobe right there if he wins 2-3 more rings.
Last edited by namlook; 01-02-2010 at 10:30 PM.
EXACTLY
People here are so quick on protecting Jordan from any contenders
Riding Shaq to 3 rings don't count.
Kobe has 1 ring.
MJ would have gotten past the Celtics and won some rings in the 80's if he had Shaq on his team. He punked the Celtics for 63 points in the playoffs, took them to overtime, and almost beat them single-handedly.
We are talkin bout the 1986 Celtics, one of the greatest NBA defensive teams in HISTORY.
I have yet to see any Laker fans here make a good argument for Kobe in any regard..great player, top 10 all-time, but his fans have a really hard time making good arguments in his favor..
When you prove them wrong, they call you a hater and try to change the subject..
Laker fans ignore the role he played for the first 3 les, they ignore his career efficiency % in comparison to others, they downplay his lack of success in PER, they ignore his lack of success in Finals MVP, they ignore his poor play in the 2004 and 2008 Finals, they ignore his lacking accolades in comparison, they exaggerate trivial aspects like buzzer beaters to hype him up..
Last I looked Kobe hasn't completed his career so I haven't formed an opinion yet. And I have always said you cannot cross eras and get any kind of accurate analysis. IMO neither is the GOAT. I believe Wilt is and I could show you pages of stats too that make MJ's look paultry. But again, crossing eras just doesn't hold water.
And another ton think Kobe is greater than Lebron.... including Lebon! What does that prove?
Miami talking about garbage....
Yeah right.
Shaq was the primary offensive option for most of the game by design because his size was a mismatch for every team. The problem is Shaq was often useless in the 4th quarter with the game on the line. He could not shoot free throws and was never known for making a clutch shot. Kobe, not Shaq was the person that was the alpha male when it mattered and the game was on the line.
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