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Yeah, he is. He's a top 15 player.
Andat Steve Nash EVER being better than Tim Duncan.
Yeah, he is. He's a top 15 player.
He's top 20 for sure and right now with the lack of quality bigmen I think he's top 10 also, top 12 at worst.
Here's my top 10:
1. Kobe Bryant
2. Lebron James
3. Carmelo Anthony
4. Dirk Nowitzki
5. Tim Duncan
6. Dwayne Wade
7. Kevin Durant
8. Chris Paul
9. Brandon Roy
10. Steve Nash (Now that I look at it, there isn't a player I can put on here over him)
Gasol isn't playing better than either Duncan or Dirk...and it's really not even close. That's what makes it such a joke.
Pau Gasol!
The Lakers must be one of the best teams of all time if they can go 8-3 without a "top 10 player".
As of 1-6-2010
IMO
1. Kobe Bryant
2. Lebron James
3. Carmelo Anthony
4. Kevin Durant
5. Dwayne wade
6. Tim Duncan
7. Dirk Nowitzki
8. Chris Paul
9. Brandon Roy
10. Chris Bosh
Huh? Um, yes it's close. Gasol might not be playing "better," but it's absolutely close. Gasol is just not scoring as much. But he's still shooting 55% from the field, he's rebounding the best in his career at over 11 rpg even with a 7 footer playing beside him who's bringing down 8 rebounds himself, he's improved defensively, still passing the ball well, and his team is 19-3 with him in the line-up.
Just because he's not putting up 20+ ppg, it doesn't mean he's not playing around the level of Duncan and Dirk. He is playing alongside a 30 point scorer and quite a few other very good scorers.
Pau might not be playing "better" than either Duncan or Dirk, but it certainly is close.
perhaps close statistically. but he doesnt get near the attention that duncan or dirk gets. you really cant double onto gasol because of Kobe, Odom, Bynum, etc... hes not the focus of the defense by any means, unlike Dirk or Timmy, who are without question the #1 guys on their teams. especially Dirk.
That might be true, but that doesn't mean Gasol isn't playing around their level. The Lakers were already playing well before Gasol returned, but both their offense and defense has been better since he's returned. He's making an impact. He just isn't getting as much touches as some other stars in the league because the team he plays on.
And it's kind of amusing how people love to talk about how great Pau is when they're trying to diminish what Kobe does, but when it comes to Pau as an individual being compared to some of the other great big men in the league, people find ways to diminish how good he is.
Lakerfan does the exact opposite which is just as amusing. When it's Kobe vs. MJ, Pau is a scrub who could never win a playoff game without Kobe. When it's Gasol vs. Dirk, Gasol is an NBA champion who carried his team full of scrubs to a 50 win season and could do more than Dirk with the supposed "great supporting cast" Dirk had in 2006.
Last edited by DUNCANownsKOBE2; 01-06-2010 at 04:05 PM.
You just described 90% of sports journalists.He's a fat old white guy who never played a sport in his life, what do you expect?
Ignore them all, I'd always say. Their opinion holds no merit.
If you want 2nd or 3rd party opinion on a certain player. Listen to those who are directly involved in the NBA (players/coaches/GMs).
Putting a quitter and non leader over Duncan
yep. The thread should have stopped there. With
I'm actually a fan of Gasol. I've been to the FedExForum and seen him when he was the #1 option for the Griz. I've said multiple times that Gasol is extremely close to both Duncan and Dirk as far as talent goes. But at this point in the season he's not performing at the same level as either Duncan or Dirk. Whether it's because the touches aren't there, or because he isn't at 100%...etc, he's not performing on their level and I really don't think it's that close. (Not to mention he's averaging 5 minutes per game more than Duncan) He's playing well, especially compared to other big men, but not compared to other players in the league to point that Gasol is in the top 10 right now.
Last edited by jag; 01-06-2010 at 05:39 PM.
Melo being a quitter several years ago has no baring on today.Putting a quitter and non leader over Duncan
He's a fat old white guy who never played a sport in his life, what do you expect?Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
While I agree that the opinions of sports journalists who never played or coached carry no more weight than the opinions of you or me, that's not the case here.
Rosen played basketball in college and professionally. He also coached professionally with Phil Jackson. He has written 15 books about the game. His opinion carries more weight than all the people here who have never played or coached.
The 6-foot-8 Rosen played college basketball at Hunter College in New York City for three seasons (1959-1962), setting school records for both scoring and rebounding, and earning most valuable player honors each season. After college, he played for Scranton and Camden in the old Eastern Basketball League.
Rosen was an assistant to Phil Jackson with the Albany Patroons of the Continental Basketball Association (CBA). Formed in 1946 the CBA is the oldest professional North American basketball league still in operation today. He also served as head coach of the Patroons, as well as the CBA's Rockford Lightning, Oklahoma City Cavalry and Savannah Spirits (Ga.).
Last edited by namlook; 01-06-2010 at 06:24 PM.
@ not knowing who the quitter and who the non-leader is
How the is D-Wade a quitter?
spur fan is outraged that this list is based on how the respective players are actually playing! spur fan thinks that if they add "moral attributes", duncan might make numb 1!!!
Kobe's a quitter too but you had no problem with him being above Duncan. LeBron isn't the leader Duncan is and you didn't have a problem with LeBron being ahead of him. Being a quitter and not being a leader doesn't preclude a player from being better than another player who doesn't quit and is a good leader. And, while Duncan has played great this season, I don't think he's better than Melo or Wade anymore, not now. We're talking about now, not career resumes. If you believe Duncan is still better, right now, this season, you're more than en led to that opinion. However, it's not even remotely laughable for someone to think Melo and Wade are now better than Duncan.Putting a quitter and non leader over Duncan
Other than scoring, you haven't stated how Gasol isn't even close to Duncan and Dirk. Gasol is rebounding as well as Duncan and much better than Dirk. He's getting the same amount of assists as Duncan despite not being the focus of the offense and playing in a system that gives equal opportunity for playmaking. He's played well defensively. And when he does get his touches, he's hitting at a 55% clip. Now, if you want to believe he's not even close to them, fine. But, other than scoring, what are your reasons for it? I know you don't believe that scoring is the deciding factor. Otherwise, heck, Duncan isn't playing any where close to the level of Chris Bosh.
You say that now but the moment Rosen writes about something that goes against your opinion, would you change it just because Charlie Rosen said it?
While I agree that the opinions of sports journalists who never played or coached carry no more weight than the opinions of you or me, that's not the case here.
Rosen played basketball in college and professionally. He also coached professionally with Phil Jackson. He has written 15 books about the game. I would say that his opinion holds more weight than all the people here who never played or coached because he probably has more knowledge about the game than everyone here.
The 6-foot-8 Rosen played college basketball at Hunter College in New York City for three seasons (1959-1962), setting school records for both scoring and rebounding, and earning most valuable player honors each season. After college, he played for Scranton and Camden in the old Eastern Basketball League.
Rosen was an assistant to Phil Jackson with the Albany Patroons of the Continental Basketball Association (CBA). Formed in 1946 the CBA is the oldest professional North American basketball league still in operation today. He also served as head coach of the Patroons, as well as the CBA's Rockford Lightning, Oklahoma City Cavalry and Savannah Spirits (Ga.).
While I agree that the opinions of sports journalists who never played or coached carry no more weight than the opinions of you or me, that's not the case here.
Rosen played basketball in college and professionally. He also coached professionally with Phil Jackson. He has written 15 books about the game. I would say that his opinion holds more weight than all the people here who never played or coached because he probably has more knowledge about the game than everyone here.
Just for the record, he played in some professional gimmick league. NBA wise, he hasn't done .
And knowledge or not, someone who writes every article while his tongue is in Phil Jackson's ass is going to be biased.
If there's any sport journalists who writes without any sort of bias, I'd like to know.
Just ignore them altogether and watch the game yourself.
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