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As much as a sucker KG is, an MVP, DPOY and a ring is tough to ignore in terms of a career.
Dirk had more talent around him in Dallas than KG did in Minnesota, but Dirk also never had Ray Allen and Paul Pierce next to him either.
KG > Dirk career, since he has a ring as a Robin and was an all-world defender for so long, although if Dirk ever wins a le as a first or second option, he gets the nod.
Dirk > KG right now.
As much as a sucker KG is, an MVP, DPOY and a ring is tough to ignore in terms of a career.
KG has had the better career, and it's not just because of the ring. His consistent level of defense throughout his career tilts the scales easily in his favor. Even if Dirk wins a ring, I'm not sure it would change that. But KG does have a few seasons on Dirk, and Dirk is definitely the better player right now.
kg. even if dirk gets one ring, id probably still give the nod to kg for being a player on both ends of the court
Even though KG had a better career, this is by far the dumbest post in this thread.
Robert Horry is better than either one btw.
oh come on. once you include Defense, KG >> Dirk
What about the year where he had Chauncey Billups and Wally Szerbiak? They got swept in the 1st round by the Mavs. You put Dirk on those same teams that KG had during his time and I guarantee you they make the playoffs every year.
KG probably has had a better career because of the ring, but give Dirk Rondo, Allen, Pierce, and a good interior defender in Perkins and they'd win a championship too
Both have had great careers. They were able to maintain a nice paying job and they both performed well at them. They'll be able to retire at a nice young age and live a nice life. (assuming they didn't blow their money)
Lets not forget that Garnett had to sacrifice his minutes in Boston for the sake of winning which caused his stats to decline in the previous years. Neglecting rings, I think the big factor as stated above is defense. Dirk might be offensively better than KG but not as much as KG is better than Dirk Defensively. A one dimensional player wont cut it.
Howard, Nash and Finley have nothing on the Celtics lineup. Even if you throw in Antawn Jamison from the 03-04 team...it still has nothing on the Celts.
When KG was younger he would constantly attack the rim. His biggest battles with duncan were in the post with hooks and turnaround J's. I get what you're saying though. His length and athleticism really made him a beast down low on defense. That's mostly what I was referring to when i spoke about him dominance down low.
If KG didn't have the ring then the talk about him would be much different. And i've already said I give KG the edge...I just don't think it's a very big gap.
Jag is officially the dumbest on this forum.
Take this advice to heart : Shutup .
It was a serious question....
Again, Shutup .
Sure thing, brah
He had the Chauncey Billups that was on four teams in a span of like two years, not the championship Billups that we know today. It took Chauncey a while to figure it out and establish himself in Detroit. Wally lol? Nothing more than a glorified jump shooter and arguably the worst player ever to make an all-star team. A couple of years removed from his all-star season he was jumping around from team to team riding the end of the bench. Also those Twolves were basically in the playoffs every single year in a stacked Western Conference, so I dont see why youre saying that Dirk wouldve made the playoffs with KG's teams as if KG didnt lead them to that himself. The better question is could Dirk have gotten past the 1st round with those teams? Considering the teammates KG had and teams the Wolves had to face during those years I would say no.
Regardless of the ring KG has had the better career and even if Dirk were to get one KG would still be better...the man was as efficient as anyone in the league during his prime--24 ppg, 12 rpg, 5-6 apg, 1-2 bpg, 1-2 spg is plain sick than you add to that his all-world defense. Dirk's lack of defense will always haunt him, especially when comparing him to all-world defenders like KG or TD. I hate KG but he's the better player in this comparison.
dirk has been more consistant throughout the years.
if dirk hadn't been screwed by the refs this wouldn't have been such a far fetched question.
people often forget kg was a perenial first round exist in his day with the wolves.
Yeah, why are people talking about the 2001-02 Chauncey Billups as if he were the type of player back then who could be a huge difference maker? Flip Saunders didn't even really trust Billups back then, and the only reason he started getting major minutes was becauseTerrell Brandon went down. The reason Billups went to Detroit is because even after he had a breakout playoff series for the Timberwolves, Kevin McHale and Flip Saunders told Billups he was still the back-up and the starting PG position was still Terrell Brandon's.
And it's pretty heavily do ented that Billups didn't become the quality player or point guard he had become until he was coached under the tutelage of Larry Brown. The 2001-02 Chauncey Billups, while becoming a better player, wasn't someone who was going to be the difference between a good team and a great team yet. And while Billups did have a breakout playoff series against Dallas that year, KG dropped 24 ppg, 19 rpg, and 5 apg in that same series.
On that same team with KG, Billups, and Wally, Rasho was the fourth best player. Gary Trent was probably the 5th or 6th best player. Hardly an example showing KG couldn't do anything with such a "stacked" team.
the difference would be, KG had young talent around him, too bad he didnt let them stick by till understand the system or groom to be better players....
Since when? Kevin Garnett is the only player in NBA History to average 20ppg 10rbpg 4apg for 9 straight seasons....
Young talent beyond Chauncey and Wally? Like Loren Woods and Will Avery?
KG's "young talent around him" were the second and third best players on the team. Around the same time, the talent Dirk had around him were all stars in the primes of their career. I don't see your point.
I agree that players like Paul Pierce and Ray Allen don't compare to Josh Howard, but Josh Howard was an All-Star, and he's still a vital player to the Mavs (although he's been screwed over by injuries). Plus, players like Nash and Jamison were still star players - it just one of the big flaws in that 03-04 lineup was chemistry, and ever since they left, they were able to exploit what they were truely capable of.
They were in the playoffs every year?
You might wanna do a little research first
Lot's of anger in this thread by some of you fatass san antonio school system protegies
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