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KG's career is better than Dirk's, as much as I dislike KG for being a complete bag.
I bring this up, so who has the better career or is either one of them top5 PF all time?
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td, malone, barkley, kg or dirk, pe .....
i see the same moron excuses kgfans wanna bring into this, just like the they been bringing arguments when compared to timmay.....
so whats ur take td/dirk/kg fans? since its neutral in here....
KG's career is better than Dirk's, as much as I dislike KG for being a complete bag.
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KG and it's not close, although Dirk is clearly the better (younger) player right now.
It's really hard to compare the two. I guess you have to say KG cause he got the ring...but if you stick Dirk with Ray Allen, Pierce, Perkins and Rondo then Dirk ends up with a ring, also. When has Dirk ever had a legitimate star to play alongside him? Jason Kidd doesn't count...and neither does Desagana Diop.
KG is all about self hype...he's constantly hyping himself on and off the court. Dirk just goes out there and plays his ass off. Any hype he gets is based off of ridiculous play.
As far as leadership goes, KG is not the great leader that everyone thinks he is. He's hyped himself up so much in the media that everyone thinks he's running in the locker room. Truth is, Paul Pierce was running in that locker room. As a the team leader, Garnett perennially failed to advance pass the first round. Even when he had Marbury, before Marbury was Starbury. I guess the main problem with Dirk is that he's failed to be a great leader during the big series...but he can only carry those clowns so far. Devean George and Antoine Walker arent great options during crunch time.
In the end, Dirk will never be considered the dominant low post player that KG was. In the same way, though, KG will never be considered the offensive force that Dirk has always been.
And I really wish Robinson would have whooped KG's ass in '99.
KG put up very impressive numbers back in his Minnesota days, but they have dropped some for the past few years. Dirk has been more consistent especially the past few years, and is still putting up good numbers. W/ all that said though, I have KG, as a career, better.
You clearly have no clue what you're on about.
He had Marbury? So all the players and money the Mavs have doesnt matter to you? You're instead claiming that the KG + Marbury combination which lasted ing ONE YEAR was good enough to win it all but didnt because KG's leadership sucks? But on the other hand, Dirk and all the players he's played with from Steve Nash onwards were all s and Dirks been carrying the load himself?
Add into the mix that the Mavs have more money, better coaches etc... and you have an EPIC FAIL.
i see kgfans will bring in that about being stuck with ty management, well he wasnt complaining when he received max contracts that hurt his team from signin anyone...
while with dirk, cuban went all out signing whoever he can, even in luxury tax to get the win...
ac ulative stats KG has dirk beaten, but most of his stats were padding stats on a one man team.....the only thing dirk has on him is ac ulative points.
Kgs dpoy is a just like a participation award handed him while duncan has been posting the same defensive numbers for a decade and cant even win one....even his finals ring is overrated, what happens if dirk gets traded to the lakers, would he get the same recognition for a ring like garnett? playing 2nd or 3rd fiddle to someone else....
the gap between the two players is closer than what alot of ppl think compared to td/kg, td/dirk where theres a huge gap.....
kg and dirk belong in the same tier of excuses
Kg had billups at one point in his career, and look what happen when billups was traded away....he went on to win....
Kg has a few good players around him but they didnt stay long...
if td can win a ring with rasho, then how come kg cant win one with rasho when he had him.....
u say the mavs have more money, doesnt the wolves owner own 2 other sports team in minnesota...you fail there man....the owner was willing to spend, just that he thought he could win with one man, while cuban the smart one, went out and sign whoever he can even with the MLE every year when his team was over the cap....and they drafted well also compared to the wolves who were suspended from drafts for a few seasons cause of the under the table bs they pull.......
haha wtf is everyone here wearing ing blinders?
Tim had Rasho and won and KG had Rasho and didnt?
Tim also had in Manu, Tony, and Pop. A good team, a great organization and all that.
How is it all of you re s isolate one ing variable (or player) and base your whole arguement on that? Act like you in went to school.
If championships aren't included in the discussion, then I would pick Dirk. Dirk has become the best shooting big man in NBA history. KG had to have Ray Allen and Paul Pierce to win a championship. Dirk is the Mavs. Without Dirk, there wouldn't be a Mavs team in my opinion. Defensively, KG is way better than Dirk. However, I think Dirk's offensive game makes up for it.
So the fact that the Cuban spends a lot of money is what makes KG a better player?? that makes sense
Having Marbury (for two seasons), who at the time was one of the best young talents in the league, doesn't stack up to Steve Nash (Maverick's version)? At the time, Marbury and Nash had similar stats...but Marbury was like a prodigy. The guy was putting out around 9 assists and 18 ppg in his second season. At any time Marbury could go off for 35...i remember this cause he used to always do it to the Spurs. You're also forgetting Tom Gugliotta. That trio was supposed to be the next big thing.
Dirk had Michael Finley. And i don't remember calling Popeye Jones a " ." He just wasn't as good as Tom Gugliotta.
Wait...you're the same guy who made the "LOL the mavs lost by 35 points -- 35 pt road loss > 60 pt home playoff loss," right?
Uh no. You take the championship off and it is still Garnett by a hair. He has an MVP and was a former defensive player of the year. The defensive accomplishments of Garnett would trump Dirk's.
They are two different types of players. It's all relative. It's all about how you judge greatness. I don't think KG makes players around him perform better, and I don't think KG is the leader that everyone thinks he is. He certainly wasn't the leader of the ring team.
Josh Howard.
KG's never really considered a dominant low post player. Most of his O flows through jumpers and points from running the floor well, even in his younger years. His game was similar to that of Patrick Ewing, in terms of tendencies on how he scored.
For his career as a PF, he's averaged 4.3 apg and a season best 6.0 apg in 02-03! He was very good at helping others on their production on the court.
ing talking . Cuban spending money doesnt make Dirk a better player you ing moron, it does however allow him to surround him with talent and continuosly pursue a ring without too many constraints...re .
I remember Marbury was good obviously, I also remmeber that HE WANTED TO LEAVE, and I fail to see how you put that on KG. He always stuck in there and did his best with allt he substandard talent around all the time, and thats what makes him great.
Dirk had michael finley and steve nash, thats 2 ing all stars next to him, and KG DID NOT.... its plain and simple stop arguing for the sake of argument you dumbass. Bring up latrell and Cassell as a comparison to these two and I swear u can go play in traffic.
Bear in mind I'm not even siding one way or another on this, your opinion is as good as mine on whose better, you're just ing stupid with no logic and it annoys me.
overall dirk is the better player. If you're not counting 4th quarter, then KG has been better.
hey man if you dont count the championship and dpoy they are very close or dirk slightly better, dirk aint slowing down like KG atm....
you can claim KG is better defensively than dirk, but its where he plays his defense is the question or even his offense, a 7ft guarding the wing and pulling jumpers, its easy how KG gets a free pass pulling jumpers while dirk gets blame for a being a shooter then playin down low or any type of defense he is nowhere near KG on defense.
dont forget KG doesnt do in 4th quarters, oh wait you kg fans love to bring out that epic performance in the 4th against the lakers and kings in 03/04..he only had 1 epic season compared to dirks consistent seasons.....
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KG has the ring, and in the eyes of most people that is the ultimate reward, so whether it was because of the people surrounding him or not, he will be remembered as a better player. However, were Dirk to win a championship any time soon, even if he wasn't the Finals MVP but still an integral part of the team, this discussion shifts to the opposite side.
Dirk hasn't played with an All Star since 2004. Josh Howard was an injury replacement selection for Carmelo in 2007 I believe, but that shouldn't count. Nash was a borderline All Star with Dirk and a franchise player in Phoenix.
Bottom line: Dirk never played with an All Star in the prime of his career. He had several good players around him in Dallas, but never his own Scottie Pippen or Pau Gasol, a Robin to his Batman.
Dirk always seems to teabag KG whenever they go head to head, but that ring puts KG on top.
Dirk's teams have always been pretty deep and stacked, definitely moreso than KG's T-Wolves. I hate KG as much as the next guy but he never had much help, the one year he did with Spree and Cassell he reached the WCF. Also as far as efficiency goes, Dirk or practically anyone else for that matter wasnt on par with KG during his prime. The guy was putting up like 24 ppg, 12 rpg, 5 apg, 1-2 bg, 1-2 spg season in and season out...there was a stretch of like 5 years where he was Top 3 in MVP voting every single year including the one he ended up winning, plus he's been an all-world defender his entire career.
Right now its Dirk. For entire careers its KG, pretty clearly too in my opinion.
Dirk, being a lead on a successful team trumps being a lead on a crappy team + sidekick on a successful team.
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