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    spur fan is suprisingly invested in a trade of a franchise he calls "irrelevent"....I think spur fan's energy's would be more wisely invested trying to figure out why his team lost to the raptors...

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    Based on what some flashes of athleticism and defense? I saw similar flashes from that french got Mahinmi and look how he turned out. Yall act like Boubois is a star in the making or some despite the fact that he cant crack the rotation, than have the nerve to talk about Spurs fans being excited over Blair.
    he's more talented than parker when he came in the league. And with kidd as a mentor he will contribute.

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    The Spews are no longer contenders and they will be irrelevant for a very long time.

    The only reason they were contenders is because 2 legends fell in their lap. I mean San Antonio is the most irrelevant metroplex in the country and is just a glorified town. Nobody wants to play there, and they are a small market. As soon as Duncan retires, it's off to reruns of Don Quixote for you s


    spur fan is suprisingly invested in a trade of a franchise he calls "irrelevent"....I think spur fan's energy's would be more wisely invested trying to figure out why his team lost to the raptors...
    non-issue

    Same reason your team lost...i mean had to get bailed out by the refs against the kings. happens son.

    he's more talented than parker when he came in the league. And with kidd as a mentor he will contribute.
    No offense but youre french bro, kind of hard to put alot of stock into your opinion on roddy...there's naturally going to be some bias in there. Like argies that thought delfino was the next ginobili or that oberto and hermann would be great role players.

    Not saying bowlbis wont be any good, i just think people need to wait to see more of him rather than going off of occasional flashes of brilliance.

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    No offense but youre french bro, kind of hard to put alot of stock into your opinion on roddy...there's naturally going to be some bias in there. Like argies that thought delfino was the next ginobili or that oberto and hermann would be great role players.

    Not saying bowlbis wont be any good, i just think people need to wait to see more of him rather than going off of occasional flashes of brilliance.
    are you re ed? i'm comparing two french players here. I just said he's more talented than parker.

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    are you re ed? i'm comparing two french players here. I just said he's more talented than parker.
    And argies compared delfino to ginobili, even said he had the tools to be better...like I said no offense but I just think there's naturally going to be bias involved.

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    Yeah

    The motha er was a beast in the NBDL and showed signs of being a good shotblocker in his few games with the Spurs. He ended up being a pussy though.

    He's played 23 career NBA minutes. Boobeeboo has 237 minutes. I don't think their "flashes of potential" are really comparable.



    But with Harris, I think Mavfan brings this up so much because other fans talk about him inaccurately and say Dallas traded away a player who did certain things that he didn't.

    For a "lockdown" defender, the only time he did a great job for Dallas against a premier perimeter player in a playoff series was Tony Parker in 2006. Keep in mind, Parker played really well game 1 of that series, and then took a nasty fall that bruised his tailbone, an injury he said made it so he was playing at around 80%. So how much of Parker's play in that series was really Harris' defense, and how much of it was Parker's tailbone injury? In 2005, Nash had the best playoff series of his career (which is partially the coaching, it's been obvious for awhile defenders with size bother Nash while he torches defenders with speed), in 2006 they beat Phoenix but Nash still had a huge series, we all know about Wade in the finals that year, and we all know about B-Diddy in 2007.

    Offensively, for a "slashing" combo guard who could get "high percentage shots", he's only had 1 season in his entire career when he averaged over 47% shooting. Maybe he's a better fit than Kidd for Avery Johnson's "everybody take turns creating their own shot" offense, but as far as an actual team offense that involved running set plays with all the players involved requires a point guard who can settle the team down and has a high bball IQ, something Kidd is and Harris isn't. Devin Harris running the point was probably the biggest reason why Dallas always got suckered into running contests with Phoenix. From 2005-2008 before the Kidd trade, including playoffs, they were 12-13 against Phoenix, 6-9 if you only count the games with a healthy Amare (5-9 if you don't count the game played at the beginning of 2006-2007 when Amare hadn't come back yet). Since the Kidd trade they're 5-1 against Phoenix. That's partially due to Phoenix's decline, but it's got a lot to do with a savvy PG who knows not to get in a running contest with Steve Nash.

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    No offense but youre french bro, kind of hard to put alot of stock into your opinion on roddy

    Yeah a French guy saying a French player is better than another French player is a HUGE bias. I guess as a Jew I'm biased by saying Omri Casspi is better than Jordan Farmar.

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    I'm also pretty sure that Dirk, Terry, Howard + Kidd in 2006 = le and Dirk, Terry, Howard + Kidd in 2007 = beating the Warriors at least.
    Live in the past much, sorry had to say it.

    Kidd in 2006 wouldn't have won you a le because he wasn't on the Mavs that year, he was in NJ playing with VC and Jefferson or beating his wife

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    He's played 23 career NBA minutes. Boobeeboo has 237 minutes. I don't think their "flashes of potential" are really comparable.



    But with Harris, I think Mavfan brings this up so much because other fans talk about him inaccurately and say Dallas traded away a player who did certain things that he didn't.

    For a "lockdown" defender, the only time he did a great job for Dallas against a premier perimeter player in a playoff series was Tony Parker in 2006. Keep in mind, Parker played really well game 1 of that series, and then took a nasty fall that bruised his tailbone, an injury he said made it so he was playing at around 80%. So how much of Parker's play in that series was really Harris' defense, and how much of it was Parker's tailbone injury? In 2005, Nash had the best playoff series of his career (which is partially the coaching, it's been obvious for awhile defenders with size bother Nash while he torches defenders with speed), in 2006 they beat Phoenix but Nash still had a huge series, we all know about Wade in the finals that year, and we all know about B-Diddy in 2007.

    Offensively, for a "slashing" combo guard who could get "high percentage shots", he's only had 1 season in his entire career when he averaged over 47% shooting. Maybe he's a better fit than Kidd for Avery Johnson's "everybody take turns creating their own shot" offense, but as far as an actual team offense that involved running set plays with all the players involved requires a point guard who can settle the team down and has a high bball IQ, something Kidd is and Harris isn't. Devin Harris running the point was probably the biggest reason why Dallas always got suckered into running contests with Phoenix. From 2005-2008 before the Kidd trade, including playoffs, they were 12-13 against Phoenix, 6-9 if you only count the games with a healthy Amare (5-9 if you don't count the game played at the beginning of 2006-2007 when Amare hadn't come back yet). Since the Kidd trade they're 5-1 against Phoenix. That's partially due to Phoenix's decline, but it's got a lot to do with a savvy PG who knows not to get in a running contest with Steve Nash.
    Harris defense is hardly my reason for why I dont consider the trade successful for Dallas. My main thing is they remained the same team that will make the playoffs but not much else. I dont see how thats a success, Im pretty sure the initial thoughts were Kidd will put us over the top not Kidd will help us remain the same. Again I think it was a reasonable gamble initially, but with hindsight and seeing that it didnt work out I just dont understand how anyone can call it a success. At best its a lateral move for Dallas, meanwhile its a win for NJ because Kidd was disgruntled there and wanted out.

    Yeah a French guy saying a French player is better than another French player is a HUGE bias. I guess as a Jew I'm biased by saying Omri Casspi is better than Jordan Farmar.
    Again its like Argies saying Delfino had the tools to be even better than Ginobili...pretty typical of foreigners to compare/proclaim that certain players are better than other more established players of the same nationality. Thats not to say Roddy wont be any good, I just think judgement should be saved until we see these flashes in more extended minutes.

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    Based on what some flashes of athleticism and defense? I saw similar flashes from that french got Mahinmi and look how he turned out. Yall act like Boubois is a star in the making or some despite the fact that he cant crack the rotation, than have the nerve to talk about Spurs fans being excited over Blair.
    Net fans(myself even) thought Marcus Williams was going to be a star in the making playing behind Kidd, got us nothing, hope Mavs have better luck with Boubois, playing behind Kidd is hard to get minutes, but he does need them in order to improve or he could end up like Marcus Williams and get trade for some draft picks then not play for his next team

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    he's more talented than parker when he came in the league. And with kidd as a mentor he will contribute.
    Kidd as a mentor means nothing at all. People use to say Marcus Williams was going to be good with Kidd as a mentor, but crash and burn and fail and where is Williams now, last I read D-League. He could have been good, but just couldn't get minutes under Kidd. Hopefully Roddy gets more minutes and doesn't need minutes to be good. Marcus need more minutes to play to be good

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    My main thing is they remained the same team that will make the playoffs but not much else.

    They won 50 games last year. The 9th seed (Phoenix) won 46 games. Given how that was by far Terry's best year in Dallas because of Kidd, how much better Dirk's play became after the Kidd trade, how much better their team chemistry was, and lastly how many injuries and how much instability that team had, it's far from a sure thing they make the playoffs with Harris instead of Kidd.

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    Kidd as a mentor means nothing at all. People use to say Marcus Williams was going to be good with Kidd as a mentor, but crash and burn and fail and where is Williams now, last I read D-League.

    Yeah, that's all on Kidd. I'm sure that's got nothing to do with Marcus Williams being a nuisance and having a bad at ude everywhere he went doing like running an operation that involved selling stolen laptops.

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    Give Jason Kidd the same team the Mavs took to the finals and their best results are a second round bashing by the Nuggets. Enough said. The main thing is the mavs need some slashers. With Harris gone, so did the slashing.

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    Yeah, that's all on Kidd. I'm sure that's got nothing to do with Marcus Williams being a nuisance and having a bad at ude everywhere he went doing like running an operation that involved selling stolen laptops.
    oh I know Kidd has nothing to do with how Marcus turned out, just like him as a mentor to that Mavs dude, never remember his name won't matter at how he turns out

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    I agree that Beaubois has an opportunity to be special, I've been saying it for years.

    Excellent shot maker + very good defender + very good pick and roll player + excellent athleticism.

    Great skill-set to start a NBA career. He needs to improve in terms of decision-making/court vision.

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