Arenas suspended indefinitely

[DPG21920]

Players volunteer for community service and charity. I've never heard of a player having a clause in his contract that required mandatory charity work. Many of these guys want to help kids and want to help their communities. But Dennis Rodman wasn't being paid to inspire kids...he was paid to be a nasty rebounder and defender.

Oh, I know that, but I am fairly certain players have things in their contract requiring them to do appearances and things for the NBA to promote the game and its image. Charity being one of them. Might not be specifically stated, but I would be hard pressed to not find that in there.

[DPG21920]

The real question is did Washington try and swindle the Rockets by offering Arenas in a trade knowing he was going to face legal issues?

I want answers.

[milkshakeballa]

Players volunteer for community service and charity. I've never heard of a player having a clause in his contract that required mandatory charity work. Many of these guys want to help kids and want to help their communities. But Dennis Rodman wasn't being paid to inspire kids...he was paid to be a nasty rebounder and defender.

u srs brah?

[jag]

This is probably the dumbest post in this thread btw. I'm awed at the stupidity. I wasn't aware that you had to prove someone innocent in order for them to be not guilty, or in this case, you have to prove someone is not losing the NBA money in order for them to be allowed to play.

Your employer doesn't have to wait for you to be found legally guilty of anything. And in the same way, your employer doesn't have to wait to see if you negatively impact their finances in order to reprimand you. They can act preemptively in the better interest of their company and the image their company portrays.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I don't know about reading books to kids, although certain players have that kind of obligations on their contracts - there are bonus for promotional/charity appearances. .

Right cause obligations and bonuses are the same thing.

[mogrovejo]

Right cause obligations and bonuses are the same thing.

There are both.

[XFactor]

For all we know, Gilbert keeps the gun in his locker because it's a place he knows his kids don't have access to.

[jag]

u srs brah?

If you really wanted to on my argument you should have used at least three more laughing smiley faces.

Show me a copy of a contract that provides stipulations concerning charity work.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

There are both.

Show me proof of a specific contract with obligations.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

For all we know he planned to go out and buy a safe with the locker room being a short term solution.

[DPG21920]

For all we know he planned to go out and buy a safe with the locker room being a short term solution.

You are just arguing for the sake of arguing now. Clearly he did not think that and why all of the sudden was he worried about the kids? Why not buy a safe the same day as the gun? Or did kids just magically pop up after he bought the guns?

[DPG21920]

And who here has access to their nba friends contract? The hard copy, no photo scan bull sh*t.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

You are just arguing for the sake of arguing now.

No, I'm following the American due process method of innocent until proven guilty.

[jag]

I don't know about reading books to kids, although certain players have that kind of obligations on their contracts - there are bonus for promotional/charity appearances.

But to say they're only paid to play basketball is short-sighted. NBA contracts are much more complex than that and by signing one you agree to a set of behavioural rules that go well beyond the basketball court.

I've honestly searched and never heard of required hours of charity being involved in a contract.

I agree that they are required to conduct themselves in a certain manner...but company standards aren't in place to make players care about their fans. And the standards aren't their to positively impact kids...the standards are their to positively impact the NBA brand and the teams.

You aren't signing up to be a role model, you're signing up to play basketball and win.

[angelbelow]

me and my fantasy team.

you said it...

[DPG21920]

No, I'm following the American due process method of innocent until proven guilty.

So you have never called someone a liar or accused them without giving them a trial?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

You are just arguing for the sake of arguing now. Clearly he did not think that and why all of the sudden was he worried about the kids? Why not buy a safe the same day as the gun? Or did kids just magically pop up after he bought the guns?

He coulda had family in town and didn't feel the need to buy a safe for a week. Look, the chances of all of these hypotheticals are slim to none, the point I'm trying to make is having a gun in your locker could just as easily be an act intended to preserve your family's safety as it could be an act with bad intentions.

[mogrovejo]

Show me proof of a specific contract with obligations.

Specific contracts aren't public. But when a player signs a contract he obliges himself to comply with promotional and commercial activities for the team/league as well as conduct himself within the standards of good citizenship and good moral character.

Once again, the "they're only paid to play" mantra is completely uninformed. Those who defend it are absolutely and totally wrong (once again).

[AnthonyM]

angelbelow or TheMachine,

Are either of yall going to look at picking up Foye as a replacement for Arenas?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

So you have never called someone a liar or accused them without giving them a trial?

Yes, and I've also wrongly accused someone of something countless times. I know I've never made a decision about someone based on mere assumption when the decision would cost that person money.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Specific contracts aren't public.

Then how the are you so sure there are certain obligations in these contracts?

[XFactor]

Section 4. Mandatory Programs.
(a) NBA players shall be required to attend and participate in educational and life skills programs designated as “mandatory programs” by the NBA and the Players Association. Such “mandatory programs,” which shall be jointly administered by the NBA and the Players Association, shall include a Rookie Transition Program (for rookies only), Team Awareness Meetings (which shall cover, among other things, substance abuse awareness, HIV awareness, and gambling awareness), and such other programs as the NBA and the Players Association shall jointly designate as mandatory.

(b) When a player, without proper and reasonable excuse, fails or refuses to attend a “mandatory program,” he shall be fined $20,000 by the NBA; provided, however, that if the player misses the Rookie Transition Program, he shall be suspended for five (5) games.

[mogrovejo]

Then how the are you so sure there are certain obligations in these contracts?

Because some obligations, like those I quoted, are in every contract.

[Cane]

No, I'm following the American due process method of innocent until proven guilty.

Arenas already confessed this much:

"As I have said before, I had kept the four unloaded handguns in my house in Virginia, but then moved them over to my locker at the Verizon Center to keep them away from my young kids. I brought them without any ammunition into the District of Columbia, mistakenly believing that the recent change in the DC gun laws allowed a person to store unloaded guns in the District.
Joke or not, I now recognize that what I did was a mistake and was wrong. I should not have brought the guns to DC in the first place, and I now realize that there’s no such thing as joking around when it comes to guns — even if unloaded."

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/sport...-80824477.html

Its up to the grand jury to see if he's going to get criminal charges. The only alleged part is him pointing the guns against his teammate which is just icing on the cake at this point with how he handled the situation.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Section 4. Mandatory Programs.
(a) NBA players shall be required to attend and participate in educational and life skills programs designated as “mandatory programs” by the NBA and the Players Association. Such “mandatory programs,” which shall be jointly administered by the NBA and the Players Association, shall include a Rookie Transition Program (for rookies only), Team Awareness Meetings (which shall cover, among other things, substance abuse awareness, HIV awareness, and gambling awareness), and such other programs as the NBA and the Players Association shall jointly designate as mandatory.

(b) When a player, without proper and reasonable excuse, fails or refuses to attend a “mandatory program,” he shall be fined $20,000 by the NBA; provided, however, that if the player misses the Rookie Transition Program, he shall be suspended for five (5) games.

Where in there does it say anything about charity events?