Arenas suspended indefinitely

[Cane]

Then how the are you so sure there are certain obligations in these contracts?

?

[mogrovejo]

5.CONDUCT.
(a) The Player agrees to observe and comply with all Team rules, as maintained or promulgated in accordance with the CBA, at all times whether on or off the playing floor.



(b) The Player agrees: (i) to give his best services, as well as his loyalty, to the Team, and to play basketball only for the Team and its assignees; (ii) to be neatly and fully attired in public; (iii) to conduct himself on and off the court according to the highest standards of honesty, citizenship, and sportsmanship; and (iv) not to do anything that is materially detrimental or materially prejudicial to the best interests of the Team or the League.



(d) In addition to the foregoing, and subject to the conditions and limitations set forth in Article II, Section 8 of the CBA, the Player agrees to participate, upon request, in all other reasonable promotional activities of the Team, the NBA, and any League-related en y. For each such promotional appearance made on behalf of a commercial sponsor of the Team, the Team agrees to pay the Player $2,500 or, if the Team agrees, such higher amount that is consistent with the Team’s past practice and not otherwise unreasonable.


16.TERMINATION.
(a) The Team may terminate this Contract upon written notice to the Player if the Player shall:
(i) at any time, fail, refuse, or neglect to conform his personal conduct to standards of good citizenship, good moral character (defined here to mean not engaging in acts of moral turpitude, whether or not such acts would cons ute a crime), and good sportsmanship, to keep himself in first class physical condition, or to obey the Team’s training rules;

[XFactor]

Section 9. Firearms.
(a) Whenever a player is physically present at a facility or venue owned, operated, or being used by a Team, the NBA, or any League-related en y, and whenever a player is traveling on any NBA-related business, whether on behalf of the player’s Team, the NBA, or any League-related en y, such player shall not possess a firearm of any kind. For purposes of the foregoing, “a facility or venue” includes, but is not limited to: an arena; a practice facility; a Team or League office or facility; an All-Star or NBA Playoff venue; and the site of a promotional or charitable appearance.

(b) Any violation of Section 9(a) above shall be considered conduct prejudicial to the NBA under Article 35(d) of the NBA Cons ution and By-Laws, and shall therefore subject the player to discipline by the NBA in accordance with such Article.

http://www.nbpa.com/cba_articles/art...I.php#section4

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

hen moved them over to my locker at the Verizon Center to keep them away from my young kids

Right DPG, I was arguing for the sake of arguing.

[Agloco]

For all we know he planned to go out and buy a safe with the locker room being a short term solution.

GMAFB. Yeah there are always explanations, but this is really quite silly.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Still waiting for anything about required charity events. Going to a seminar that lectures about not getting AIDS isn't a charity/community event.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

GMAFB. Yeah there are always explanations, but this is really quite silly.

Yeah I'm sure that's why Arenas said it himself. How silly of me to make that assumption.

[PM5K]

I'm sure its been said but if his teammates went along with this little finger shooting gun skit they should be suspended as well for a few games.

Talk about poor taste.

[DPG21920]

Right DPG, I was arguing for the sake of arguing.

LOL, like no one in the history of earth has made up bull to get out of trouble.

Once again, I ask you this:

1) Why not buy a safe the same day you get a gun?

2) Why all of the sudden were the kids a concern? Was there not kids when he purchased the guns? Or did they just pop up out of no where?

3) Why not ask permission to store the guns knowing full well there could be an issue? Wouldn't most people err on the side of caution?

[jag]

Specific contracts aren't public. But when a player signs a contract he obliges himself to comply with promotional and commercial activities for the team/league as well as conduct himself within the standards of good citizenship and good moral character.

Once again, the "they're only paid to play" mantra is completely uninformed. Those who defend it are absolutely and totally wrong (once again).

The players are required to do promotional work...I understand that. I also understand that they must conduct themselves in a certain way both on and off the court. This is all done for the betterment of the League name. This isn't done so that players can inspire kids. If the NBA was really in the business of cultivating role models then half of the current players would be out of a job.

Saying that these guys must be role models is ridiculous. The ultimate goal is to get these guys to play good basketball and do it without acting like clowns. They don't have to care about what some kid thinks of their lifestyle.

[DPG21920]

Exactly. There is a difference in having contractual obligations to do events that represent the NBA such as charity, and actually being a role model. We all do stuff we don't buy into and these guys are no different.

But trying to play semantics and ask for a poster on ST to post a NBA contract with the legal language pertaining to charity is ludicrous.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

LOL, like no one in the history of earth has made up bull to get out of trouble.

That doesn't change the fact I was doing a lot more than arguing for the of it.

Think about it, what other possible reason could he have for bringing an unloaded weapon to the Wizards locker room? If he wanted to do anything malicious with it, it would have been loaded.

[J.T.]

Dramatization of the Arenas incident:

[mogrovejo]

The players are required to do promotional work...I understand that. I also understand that they must conduct themselves in a certain way both on and off the court. This is all done for the betterment of the League name. This isn't done so that players can inspire kids. If the NBA was really in the business of cultivating role models then half of the current players would be out of a job.

Saying that these guys must be role models is ridiculous. The ultimate goal is to get these guys to play good basketball and do it without acting like clowns. They don't have to care about what some kid thinks of their lifestyle.

That's beyond the point and you're trying to use a strawman. They have other contractual obligations besides playing basketball. That's all.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

1) Why not buy a safe the same day you get a gun?

2) Why all of the sudden were the kids a concern? Was there not kids when he purchased the guns? Or did they just pop up out of no where?

3) Why not ask permission to store the guns knowing full well there could be an issue? Wouldn't most people err on the side of caution?

Once again i ask you, why does the burden of proof lie on Arenas to show he is innocent?

Since you seem to be sure Gilbert's story is made up bull , what exactly happened?

[XFactor]

That doesn't change the fact I was doing a lot more than arguing for the of it.

Think about it, what other possible reason could he have for bringing an unloaded weapon to the Wizards locker room? If he wanted to do anything malicious with it, it would have been loaded.

To joke with his teammates.

[PM5K]

Loaded/unloaded is semantics.

For all we know he had some bullets in his pocket.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

To joke with his teammates.

so you're saying him bringing his gun into the locker room to "joke with his teammates" is a more likely scenario than bringing his gun into the locker room to get it away from his kids.

[DPG21920]

Once again i ask you, why does the burden of proof lie on Arenas to show he is innocent?

Since you seem to be sure Gilbert's story is made up bull , what exactly happened?

Are you implying that I as a normal citizen cannot reasonably conclude that his story is b.s.?

Quit acting like you have to do a full scale investigation to figure out if someone is lying.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

For all we know he had some bullets in his pocket.

So based on an assumption you have no evidence to support, Gilbert should be punished?

[Agloco]

For all we know he planned to go out and buy a safe with the locker room being a short term solution.

Yeah I'm sure that's why Arenas said it himself. How silly of me to make that assumption.

Quite......considering that he never mentioned anything about it being a short term solution. I refuse to believe Arenas' IQ is that low. What he actually said though, smells of a comment designed to introduce a more benign context into the mix (ie that he did it with the safety of his children in mind)

[DPG21920]

Once again i ask you, why does the burden of proof lie on Arenas to show he is innocent?

Since you seem to be sure Gilbert's story is made up bull , what exactly happened?

Because he is the one who brought the guns to the locker room when the NBA explicitly prohibits it. There is nothing else to prove. We know he brought guns, everything else will just add to the punishment.

Like I said, you keep acting like because I, DPG, think Gilbert is making up, that I think it should not be investigated. I am saying that his story sounds like and WILL LIKELY BE PICKED APART DURING THE INVESTIGATION.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Are you implying that I as a normal citizen cannot reasonably conclude that his story is b.s.?

Sure you can (but I'm curious what that conclusion is based off).

My question is why can Gilbert get in so much trouble when there's no evidence to contradict his story.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

I am saying that his story sounds like and WILL LIKELY BE PICKED APART DURING THE INVESTIGATION.

Until it is picked apart he's done nothing wrong.

[DPG21920]

Section 9. Firearms.
(a) Whenever a player is physically present at a facility or venue owned, operated, or being used by a Team, the NBA, or any League-related en y, and whenever a player is traveling on any NBA-related business, whether on behalf of the player’s Team, the NBA, or any League-related en y, such player shall not possess a firearm of any kind. For purposes of the foregoing, “a facility or venue” includes, but is not limited to: an arena; a practice facility; a Team or League office or facility; an All-Star or NBA Playoff venue; and the site of a promotional or charitable appearance.

(b) Any violation of Section 9(a) above shall be considered conduct prejudicial to the NBA under Article 35(d) of the NBA Cons ution and By-Laws, and shall therefore subject the player to discipline by the NBA in accordance with such Article.

http://www.nbpa.com/cba_articles/art...I.php#section4

Sure you can (but I'm curious what that conclusion is based off).

My question is why can Gilbert get in so much trouble when there's no evidence to contradict his story.

Until it is picked apart he's done nothing wrong.