Redskins New Coach....

[K-State Spur]

Elway never won without Shanahan. And other than JE, his QBs have been Griese, Plummer, and Cutler - all of whom were average or better with him, and absolute without him.

If they get him the talent (or he gets himself the talent), they'll win and win big. If he doesn't, then they'll continue to wallow in bad & mediocre seasons.

It should be noted that even post-Elway, he had some pretty damn good offenses in Mile High. He also had some crap defenses and a couple crap defensive coordinators (i.e. Greg Robinson). Snyder will always spend money to have a competent DC in D.C., even if it means paying a qualified guy HC money.

Parcells relevance to this is what? They were both coaches in the NFL once, that's about where the comparison ends.

Basically, your point boils down to "the Redskins will continue to be bad because I hope they will." You may well end up being right, but not because you are basing your opinion off a strong sensible argument.

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If they get him the talent (or he gets himself the talent), they'll win and win big. If he doesn't, then they'll continue to wallow in bad & mediocre seasons.

That's such a general statement you can make about any coach. That proves nothing.

It should be noted that even post-Elway, he had some pretty damn good offenses in Mile High. He also had some crap defenses and a couple crap defensive coordinators (i.e. Greg Robinson). Snyder will always spend money to have a competent DC in D.C., even if it means paying a qualified guy HC money.

Maybe, but the Broncos weren't as big of a joke as Washington at this stage. He's coming into a complete mess instead of trying to rebuild a recent Superbowl team.

Parcells relevance to this is what? They were both coaches in the NFL once, that's about where the comparison ends.

Parcells is just an example that past excellence doesn't always translate to bringing excellence to your new team. In New York, Parcells always had tough defenses, smashmouth teams, who were usually disciplined and he brought none of those to Dallas consistently.

Basically, your point boils down to "the Redskins will continue to be bad because I hope they will." You may well end up being right, but not because you are basing your opinion off a strong sensible argument.

My point boils down to the fact that the Redskins will continue to be bad because they are a mess right now and need a lot more work and a few seasons especially since they're in the NFC East. If they actually stick with Shanahan, then they might be able to become contenders eventually but that will never happen because Snyder is a clueless dumb almost on par with Al Davis and excercises no patience with his franchise.

[leemajors]

I'd be more worried about it if Allen and Shanahan didn't have a pre-existing relationship. Sounds like they are going to work together and that Shanahan values his input. I'm also a firm believer that when there is a stalemate regarding a talent, the coach is a better judge than the GM 9 times out of 10 as to what's best for the team.

Well I think you understand my point - the entire regime change is definitely a step in the right direction, I just question the final say part. I think Shanahan could do very well, I just think it's far from a given for a quick turnaround.

[K-State Spur]

And yet, despite being a complete mess - the Redskins had to find ways to lose at Dallas & at Philly during the season. They also had about 5 other games won and choked them away.

No excuses, that's the sign of a bad team. But when they are doing that with an anemic offense and completely overmatched coach - it also means that they're not that far away if they have a competent guy at the head.

, in today's NFL - NOBODY is that far away. Coming into this season, on paper, there was no reason to think that Cincy was going to pass Pittsburgh, that the Jets were a playoff team, or that the Giants were ready to collapse.

[Bigzax]

8-8 next year, playoffs year after...contender status dependent on QB play. what else is new.

cowboys and skins have both been mired in mediocrity for so long, to think they are on much different levels is foolish. that's okay...that's what i love about the bipolar dallas fans and i'm glad Dallas is doing good for once...it came at the right time...saved Wade's job, i hope.

i think Snyder is a schmuck, but i'm seeing a new side of the meddlesome midget. he's backing away and letting people not named Cerratto take over. i guess all the fans shouting at his owner's box how much he sucks finally got to him. Parcells' regime in Dallas started to crumble the day your beloved owner said TO was coming. we'll see if Danny boy holds up his end of the 'won't interfere' bargain.

but unless shanihan retires and hands over the team to his son, i don't see why he wouldn't be the Skins coach 5 years from now...danny and shanihan are friends... , cerratto lasted 10 years...finally, the skins have a legitimate GM and a HOF caliber coach again...

and it's not like Shanihan doesn't know what got him fired in denver. he knows it was his poor player acquisitions. i'm sure he and bruce will lean heavily on the best scouting department money can buy.

but good luck with wade and jerra's son running the show.

[K-State Spur]

he has MANY faults - #1 being a loyalty to cerrato for far too long.

but he wasn't meddlesome with schottenheimer, spurrier, or gibbs. he did Zorn an unasked for OC - but by that point it was clear that JZ was in way over his head when it came to calling plays.

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8-8 next year, playoffs year after...contender status dependent on QB play. what else is new.

cowboys and skins have both been mired in mediocrity for so long, to think they are on much different levels is foolish. that's okay...that's what i love about the bipolar dallas fans and i'm glad Dallas is doing good for once...it came at the right time...saved Wade's job, i hope.

i think Snyder is a schmuck, but i'm seeing a new side of the meddlesome midget. he's backing away and letting people not named Cerratto take over. i guess all the fans shouting at his owner's box how much he sucks finally got to him. Parcells' regime in Dallas started to crumble the day your beloved owner said TO was coming. we'll see if Danny boy holds up his end of the 'won't interfere' bargain.

but unless shanihan retires and hands over the team to his son, i don't see why he wouldn't be the Skins coach 5 years from now...danny and shanihan are friends... , cerratto lasted 10 years...finally, the skins have a legitimate GM and a HOF caliber coach again...

and it's not like Shanihan doesn't know what got him fired in denver. he knows it was his poor player acquisitions. i'm sure he and bruce will lean heavily on the best scouting department money can buy.

but good luck with wade and jerra's son running the show.

One team just won the division 2 out of the last 3 years, and the other just went 0-6 in the Division.

God I love delusional Skin fans

[SpuronyourFace]

Elway never won without Shanahan. And other than JE, his QBs have been Griese, Plummer, and Cutler - all of whom were average or better with him, and absolute without him.

If they get him the talent (or he gets himself the talent), they'll win and win big. If he doesn't, then they'll continue to wallow in bad & mediocre seasons.

It should be noted that even post-Elway, he had some pretty damn good offenses in Mile High. He also had some crap defenses and a couple crap defensive coordinators (i.e. Greg Robinson). Snyder will always spend money to have a competent DC in D.C., even if it means paying a qualified guy HC money.

Parcells relevance to this is what? They were both coaches in the NFL once, that's about where the comparison ends.

Basically, your point boils down to "the Redskins will continue to be bad because I hope they will." You may well end up being right, but not because you are basing your opinion off a strong sensible argument.

Actually it boils down to common sense. Shanny never won without Elway. And Elway-like players don't grow on trees. Shanny is also a bad personel guy, history has proven that. Oh, and that Snyder guy is still around....yeah, good luck turning it around.

[Bigzax]

One team just won the division 2 out of the last 3 years, and the other just went 0-6 in the Division.

God I love delusional Skin fans

really? 2 out of the last 3...sorry, didn't notice.

oh yeah...you guys had a 13-3 season a couple years ago...what a ride huh?

how'd that turn out by the way...

be sure to BUMP after the next cowboys loss.

and by all means, hold tight to those banners.

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really? 2 out of the last 3...sorry, didn't notice.

oh yeah...you guys had a 13-3 season a couple years ago...what a ride huh?

how'd that turn out by the way...

be sure to BUMP after the next cowboys loss.

and by all means, hold tight to those banners.

It feels good to root for a team that is in the thick of things year in year out, meanwhile the only thing that fears the Redskins is Dan Snyder's bank account

[kamikazi_player]

It feels good to root for a team that is in the thick of things year in year out, meanwhile the only thing that fears the Redskins is Dan Snyder's bank account

[dallasmavsnfuego214]

It feels good to root for a team that is in the thick of things year in year out, meanwhile the only thing that fears the Redskins is Dan Snyder's bank account

[K-State Spur]

It feels good to root for a team that is in the thick of things year in year out, meanwhile the only thing that fears the Redskins is Dan Snyder's bank account

really? since 2004, the Cowboys have been to the playoffs a whopping ONE more time than the Redskins. truly a decade of dominance indeed...

[K-State Spur]

Actually it boils down to common sense. Shanny never won without Elway. And Elway-like players don't grow on trees. Shanny is also a bad personel guy, history has proven that. Oh, and that Snyder guy is still around....yeah, good luck turning it around.

Has it? Look at his career post Elway - while not stellar, it's better than you think.