Article: Rosen: Top Ten Players in the NBA

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

Bottom one is me trolling Spurs fan.

This was in response to a Pistons fan:

Hahahahahahahahaha. One team goes 15-1 the other only beat the Suns because Donaghy is a convicted felon and Stern suspended their best player on some bull .

This is in response to no one, but doesn't seem like trolling:

Would almost feel sorry for the Suns if their fans didn't talk so much to the Lakers, like beating Smush Parker and Kwame Brown was a big deal . 2007 was their year and they were bent over by Stern. That Spurs team was extremely weak just like the 08 version and they got a free ride in the finals by facing Lebron. The Lakers exposed them in 2008.

[Mavs_man_41]

My point totally sailed right over your head. I understood what Findog was saying. But by inserting Magic into the argument is where it does not add up.

Magic was a way above average team defender and contributed to the Lakers success on that end. He wasn't without flaws but his strengths overshadowed them as he could put them to use elsewhere on the court. Nash is not an average defender. He's completely and utterly worthless on that end.

so it took you this long to establish that:

A) nash is a poor defender

and

B) Magic was an average defender during the time period Findog referenced?

cool story bro

[pad300]

Good points. Duncan is scoring and blocking more, but Pau is right up there, and is rebounding better. But it's sometimes about the intangibles. Ask anybody out there if the lakers, for this season only, would want to do a Pau for Duncan swap straight up. I guarantee you that you won't find a GM, Coach, Player or fan that doesn't do it, honestly.

(Edit: that's if you're not considering fitting into the triangle offense right away, but that's a different topic altogether, even though I think Duncan can pick it up quickly)

Actually, if you really want to compare rebounding, I would reccomend rebound rates (% of rebounds available (when that player is on the floor) that are gotten, rather than Rebs/Game or Rebs/36). Tim Duncan's been quite a bit better rebounder this season than Pau. Total rebound % of 19.1 vs 17.5 %, 1.6% is actually a pretty significant drop off. And Tim has more compe ion for boards - Gasol's teammates average a 9.49% rebound rate, while Tim's average a 9.97%...

Similarly, I'd advise looking at rates when considering Assists(Duncan wins 17.5% to 14.8), blocks (Duncan wins 4.0% to 3.5%), steals (Duncan, 0.9% to 0.6%), and TOV's (Duncan, 10.5% to 13.8%). Pau Gasol does have a better TS%, .619 to .594, but Duncan is being the main man, at a much higher usage rate for possession 27.2% vs 19.2%...

Yeah, Gasol is good, he's easily one of the top ten, and probably top 5 bigs in the NBA right now, but TD is quite a bit better right now; TD's probably the best big man so far this season.

[21_Blessings]

They're not being compared, genius.

You were likening Steve NAsh to Magic. That is comparing them. A comparison that doesn't make sense. That's what I have a problem with.

It's more of a general comment about how the relationship between perimeter and frontcourt defense affects our perceptions of certain players. If Nash played in front of Dwight Howard or Tim Duncan in his prime, we'd hear much less about his lack of d, because it wouldn't be nearly as much of an issue.

This is what we call a backtrack. And I don't have a problem with this take other than Nash's D not being an issue. It would very much be an issue and that team would never live up to their defensive potential with Nash on the floor. Could he win a le with prime Timmy + D Rob? Probably. Would they beat the three-peat Lakers? Doubtful.

Find anybody here who posted that Magic's D, even in the time period of 88-90, was as bad as Nash.

Show me the post where I claimed this. I was pointing out that likening Nash's defensive situation to a prime Magic is doesn't work given the vastly different skillsets.

you can't, because you want to argue against an easier strawman. There are no bumpers in this bowling alley, fella.

I can't because it's a strawman.

Good to see you backtracking though.

[vicphoenix13]

You might want to time this rinse repeat post better from here on out, it's probably not smart to give a "Nash's defense is criticized more than it should be" sermon right after Aaron Brooks drops a career high scoring night on him.

And you might want to stop with the rinse repeat posts about how terrible a player Nash is. Its funny, you never give him any credit when the opposing point guard has a bad game. Go back and look at all 36 of the Suns games this season. There can't be more than 10 games where the opposing point guard played better than Nash.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

There can't be more than 10 games where the opposing point guard played better than Nash.

Someone who gets paid as much as Nash should be out playing the other team's PG almost every night. I really don't care about the stats Nash puts up (unlike yourself), I want the Suns to be a contender, and right now they sure as aren't a contender.

[21_Blessings]

This was in response to a Pistons fan:

This is in response to no one, but doesn't seem like trolling:

It's trolling and it worked. Just look at you.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

It's trolling and it worked. Just look at you.

So how do we know this isn't trolling?

[Mavs_man_41]

It's trolling and it worked. Just look at you.

what a cop out little . DoK just put you in the sharpshooter and made you say uncle and tap out

[21_Blessings]

So how do we know this isn't trolling?

I'll tell when you list every one of your alt accounts in this thread and their post count.

[21_Blessings]

what a cop out little . DoK just put you in the sharpshooter and made you say uncle and tap out

What was that? I can't hear you over those 2006 tears of failure.

[Mavs_man_41]

What was that? I can't hear you over those 2006 tears of failure.

lol tacker smack

[Findog]

What was that? I can't hear you over those 2006 tears of failure.

Empty trophycase smack! What a burn!

C'mon, post some pictures of Wade with the trophy and Dirk kicking an exercise bike. That'll show us!

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

What was that? I can't hear you over those 2006 tears of failure.

What does the 2006 finals have to do with this?

[21_Blessings]

lol tacker smack

Keep on

How does it feel to be Findog's bottom?

[Mavs_man_41]

Keep on

How does it feel to be Findog's bottom?

fin's or dok's, which one is it again? or maybe it's just a good old all around GANGBANG on your poor ass

[21_Blessings]

What does the 2006 finals have to do with this?

Just an example of a weak team getting slapped and never recovering.

[Greg Oden]

Keep on

How does it feel to be Findog's bottom?

At least what's going on between mavs_man and findog is consensual. What's happening between yourself and Findog is looked down upon by the law.

[Findog]

Just an example of a weak team getting slapped and never recovering.

Lose an argument, resort to le smack. Are we supposed to have our feelings hurt by you?

[21_Blessings]

Lose an argument, resort to le smack. Are we supposed to have our feelings hurt by you?

Never lost the argument.

You made a re ed claim about Magic. It was shot down by established statistics and facts. Then you backtracked and claimed you were just making a general comment and completely changed your point to not include Magic at all. That's fine with me.

Now we have moved on back to the status quo.

If you want to discuss more about your idiotic claim that Magic was a liability in the 80s when he was winning rings and MVPs by comparing his situation to Steve Nash's, we can.

[JamStone]

It's like I walked into a pillow fight by sorority girls in lingerie only to be disappointed by the fact that it's the fat and ugly sorority...

[21_Blessings]

or dok's, which one is it again? or maybe it's just a good old all around GANGBANG on your poor ass

Look at you inquiring. Seems here you would enjoy the concept of being dok's bottom.

[Mavs_man_41]

It's like I walked into a pillow fight by sorority girls in lingerie only to be disappointed by the fact that it's the fat and ugly sorority...

they have a fraternity for that too, you know. how old are you again, are you in college?

[Mavs_man_41]

Look at you inquiring. Seems here you would enjoy the concept of being dok's bottom.

shut up and bend over while we take turns fisting your ass

[vicphoenix13]

Someone who gets paid as much as Nash should be out playing the other team's PG almost every night. I really don't care about the stats Nash puts up (unlike yourself), I want the Suns to be a contender, and right now they sure as aren't a contender.

Its hilarious that you blame Nash for the Suns failure to be a contender. There wouldn't be any reason to watch the Suns the last six years if Nash didn't sign with them in 2004. While you continue to only rip Nash for his poor defense, you never bring up the fact that the Suns are poor defensively all around. For example, how does Carl Landry score 31 points on 14-23 shooting last night? Or is that Nash's fault as well?