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    Dirk got hot by capitalizing on defensive breakdowns, not by any one player in one-on-one defense. Plus, you can't expect a player that talented to continue to shoot 20% from the floor.

    They brought in a long shot-blocker, albeit not young, in Ratliff...and he lasted a few minutes before proving ineffective.

    The reality is that the great players in this league from time to time can prove to be unguardable. In the 4th quarter Dirk was a little bit of that, and the Spurs had TEAM defense breakdowns.

    No one player, young shot-blocker or otherwise, would've changed that.
    Dirk started hitting jumpers, which I agree that he is going to do from time to time, but putting RJ on him is not the same as putting Bowen on him, and the only way to slow him down is with length, because you don't have the skill to throw at him anymore. In addition, the Spurs didn't control the offensive glass at any point, and the occasional shot blocker in the lane to change a shot or two would have helped as well.

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    The 2 guys that have beaten you time and time again... nowistsky and terry....and they let them get off...there isn't a player on the mavs that can do what they do...

    spurs failed...

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    The 2 guys that have beaten you time and time again... nowistsky and terry....and they let them get off...there isn't a player on the mavs that can do what they do...

    spurs failed...
    Meh, that's overstated. Dirk and Jet kill everyone when their jumpers happen to fall. When they do, you've got crappy defense, when they don't, your defense is great. The key to beating a jump shooting team is not to send them to the line, to limit their inside scoring, not to turn the ball over, and to hold them to one shot. The Spurs were a complete and utter train wreck in nearly all phases of the game during the fourth quarter, and it still took hot outside shooting by the Mavs to beat them.

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    Dirk started hitting jumpers, which I agree that he is going to do from time to time, but putting RJ on him is not the same as putting Bowen on him, and the only way to slow him down is with length, because you don't have the skill to throw at him anymore. In addition, the Spurs didn't control the offensive glass at any point, and the occasional shot blocker in the lane to change a shot or two would have helped as well.
    Spurs were forced to play small ball when Blair and Dice got in foul trouble and if RJ is going to get blamed for Nowitzki in the fourth, then he should get credit for Nowitzki stinking it up through three.

    And again, the shot-blocker was out there for four minutes and proved ineffective.

    I will agree with the point about rebounding...Spurs needed to have more will and energy crashing the boards. Second chance opportunities were killer throughout the game and especially in the fourth.

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    If you allow Nowitzki to get into that mode, it is going to be a very tough fight. I still can't get over 42 points in one quarter!? Unbelievable.

    But Dirk did have 28 shot attempts, he is bound to get into a rhythm if he takes that many shots in one game.

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    The key to stopping nowitsky and terry is to get the ball out of their hands and into someone elses...

    nowitsky should be doubled hard as soon as he gets the ball...jason should be routed to spots he doesn't like....other teams do this, why can't the spurs?

    it's pretty simple and for some reason the spurs make the difficult... It's not like they were coming down and jacking up shots with 22 seconds on the clock... pitiful

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    Spurs were forced to play small ball when Blair and Dice got in foul trouble and if RJ is going to get blamed for Nowitzki in the fourth, then he should get credit for Nowitzki stinking it up through three.
    Dice finished the game with 4 fouls and Blair finished the game with 3, one of which was offensive. The Spurs decided to play small ball, and had any number of opportunities through the last 15 minutes of the game to call a timeout and put a bigger body on Dirk.

    RJ didn't cover Dirk through the first three quarters. Besides, I'm not blaming him, I'm blaming the idiot that was watching him get torched and apparently decided to save Blair and Dice's remaining fouls for New Jersey.

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    One can't help but feel disheartened watching the Spurs give this game away.

    42 points in one quarter, my friends, 42 points, 42 points

    And, Dice, sucks ass. GTFO as soon as possible. We need a legit big man and he's not one. He's too soft and has no killer instincts.

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    Dice finished the game with 4 fouls and Blair finished the game with 3, one of which was offensive. The Spurs decided to play small ball, and had any number of opportunities through the last 15 minutes of the game to call a timeout and put a bigger body on Dirk.

    RJ didn't cover Dirk through the first three quarters. Besides, I'm not blaming him, I'm blaming the idiot that was watching him get torched and apparently decided to save Blair and Dice's remaining fouls for New Jersey.
    I guess you and I saw the game differently. I saw Dice and Blair get called for ticky-tack fouls early and sub out, leaving the Spurs to play small ball. During that time, though sometimes the assignment went to Bogans, I saw long stretches where RJ defended Dirk.

    I also didn't see RJ get torched in the fourth. I saw the entire team get torched...reacting slowly on rotations, switches, close-outs, etc.

    Regardless, I have to agree with you that Blair sitting in the fourth despite some spirited play to end the third (when the Spurs seemingly had the game in their hands) was a mistake.

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    The key to stopping nowitsky and terry is to get the ball out of their hands and into someone elses...

    nowitsky should be doubled hard as soon as he gets the ball...jason should be routed to spots he doesn't like....other teams do this, why can't the spurs?

    it's pretty simple and for some reason the spurs make the difficult... It's not like they were coming down and jacking up shots with 22 seconds on the clock... pitiful
    I can't disagree with this in principal, but I do have two counterpoints...

    First, it seems like every time the Spurs send a double-team Nowitzki's way, the ball always ends up in Jason Kidd's hands and he nails a three-pointer to crush momentum.

    Second, in the fourth quarter there isn't a spot on the floor that Jason Terry doesn't like...at least not against the Spurs. I can't stand the dude, but he doesn't miss down the stretch against the Spurs...ever.

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    ing even Dampier smoked a 3 in our faces in that period... Spurs couldn't get a stop to save their life. I mean, sure, the Mavs were smoking hot, but this is the farthest thing from championship defense I've ever seen since the phoenix suns

    What happened out there guys....
    Spurs missed shots they didnt

    signed
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    I can't disagree with this in principal, but I do have two counterpoints...

    First, it seems like every time the Spurs send a double-team Nowitzki's way, the ball always ends up in Jason Kidd's hands and he nails a three-pointer to crush momentum.

    Second, in the fourth quarter there isn't a spot on the floor that Jason Terry doesn't like...at least not against the Spurs. I can't stand the dude, but he doesn't miss down the stretch against the Spurs...ever.
    I much rather have Kidd kill me from downtown than Dirk getting hot.
    But it wasn't Dirk that hurt us tonight. 26 points on 28 shots and low amount of free throws actually is pretty close to what you would want from Nowitzki.
    50 points from their bench is way too much though. That's half the battle right there.

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    I much rather have Kidd kill me from downtown than Dirk getting hot.
    But it wasn't Dirk that hurt us tonight. 26 points on 28 shots and low amount of free throws actually is pretty close to what you would want from Nowitzki.
    50 points from their bench is way too much though. That's half the battle right there.
    Terry was obviously a big part of that bench scoring, because as usual the guy couldn't miss down the stretch. To another point...

    Though it's easy to talk about the defense in the fourth quarter, it should also be noted that the Spurs went the last 4+ minutes of the game (before Mason's meaningless 3 at the end) without a field goal. Spurs were completely out of synch and making terrible decisions with the ball. Sadly, this had nothing to do with the Mavs' D...it was all on the Spurs.

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    Kori,

    Manu sucks. He now falls into the Malik Rose category as washed up and overpaid. Coach Bud calling a play for him is ridiculous. He doesn't have it anymore. Raise the Bar. Call a spade a spade... Here are some more takes for you that aren't related to 42 points in a quarter.

    Mcdice is old.
    Tony Parker doesn't like his teammates. (pretty obvious)
    Tim Duncan is not a leader and is deferring to Matt Bonner.
    Manu is manure.
    George Hill is the future of the Spurs.
    Richard Jefferson doesn't have a clue.
    Popovich's gravy training is over.
    Popovich has no clue.
    Coach Bud is a ballboy.
    Roger Mason Jr. needs to be traded to save his career from this ty team.
    Keith Bogans is a joke.
    What else?

    wait..maybe I can go beat Duncan228 in the find an article and hurry up and post contest!!!

    lol...

    Go to a game..the fun, the glory, the passion.........it's gone...


    Coach Popovich. His reign is done.
    Wow you're blind huh? RJ was the second best player on the court tonight after Tim Duncan...

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    I could have sworn Dirk got hot when RJ was guarding him. The Spurs are going to need another big in the rotation if they want to compete. If only they had a young seven foot shot blocker somewhere.
    or an old one.

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    Spurs are really ed if our hope of a championship hinges on a D-League player like Ian.
    Or if we expect a 36 year old Dice to make a significant contribution.

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    42 points, that goes beyond being mad, that just makes me

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    Why this team turned to an average defensive team ?
    Where's gone the "Defense win championship" ?
    How in the can we get outplayed in the 4th quarter like rookies ?
    Why we always play bad in the second half ?
    Why Tony and Manu play like superstar in the first half and then play like in the end ? (especially Tony, it's like he's lost confidence )
    Why is Tim forced to play so good every single night and see the rest of the team lost ?
    WTF Pop ?

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    the answer to everything is: 42

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    We miss the defense and toughness Drob and Malik Rose! And I don't get why Pop decides to go small every time when you have Theo and Ian. It's just Duncan and a bunch of 6 ft nothing midgets that can't get a in rebound. And no, Matt Bonner is not going to help. We need to see more Blair and more Theo.

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    We miss the defense and toughness Drob and Malik Rose! And I don't get why Pop decides to go small every time when you have Theo and Ian. It's just Duncan and a bunch of 6 ft nothing midgets that can't get a in rebound. And no, Matt Bonner is not going to help. We need to see more Blair and more Theo.
    You can't be serious. Ian is garbage and Theo gets in the way on O.

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    I don't know why didn't play Hill more in the 4th, he was playing inspired ball. Ginobili was obviously gassed - he played well in the first half and his legs were clearly tired in the fourth.

    Overall it's just hard to judge where the time is at, because IMO we played well through three quarters and then just fell apart in the fourth, and we can't really point the blame at anyone in particular: was it because Pop was gone, the rotations of our big three were off, or did Dallas just outplay us while we stunk it up out there? It's hard to make a judgement call on the team based on this game.

    Even in championship seasons you still lose games during the regular season - it happens to everyone. I've always felt the Spurs played better when they felt they had something to prove, so lets see how they come out against the Lakers.

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    Meh, that's overstated. Dirk and Jet kill everyone when their jumpers happen to fall. When they do, you've got crappy defense, when they don't, your defense is great. The key to beating a jump shooting team is not to send them to the line, to limit their inside scoring, not to turn the ball over, and to hold them to one shot. The Spurs were a complete and utter train wreck in nearly all phases of the game during the fourth quarter, and it still took hot outside shooting by the Mavs to beat them.
    I find your username pretty ironic, as this is an entirely obstructed view of basketball strategy. Comments implying that "the Mavs just hit a bunch of jump shots, which won't happen all the time" ignore not only basic principles of basketball but also the very history of this rivalry. You sound like a more refined jeffdrums.

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    I find your username pretty ironic, as this is an entirely obstructed view of basketball strategy. Comments implying that "the Mavs just hit a bunch of jump shots, which won't happen all the time" ignore not only basic principles of basketball but also the very history of this rivalry. You sound like a more refined jeffdrums.
    It's sad that, as usual, I know more about the Mavericks than you. If you're going to talk about the damage that Terry and Dirk did, it was from the outside, and it was for the most part with a defender near them. In fact, many of those shots weren't extremely easy shots for them to hit. While they deserve props for hitting the shots, as usual, idiot Mavfan suddenly thinks that his team is championship worthy until the next game when Jet and Dirk go a combined 14/36. Dirk's game is always better when he's going toward the basket, but there are nights where he can suddenly get a hot hand and score some points on the outside.

    Credit both guys for hitting shots, but don't be a typical idiotic Mav fan and think that they're going to hit shots like that every night. The fact that your team tends to forget that they can't rely on jumpers is usually what causes them not to win.

    And you should probably work on your reading comprehension, since the point of my "meh" post was when a Spurs fan said that the Spurs "let" Terry and Dirk get off, when that wasn't really the reason the Spurs got curbstomped in the 4th quarter.

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    Dice has been a dissapointment
    Tony was invisible in the 2nd half
    Manu was invisible in the 2nd half

    DEFENSE was invisible in the 4th quarter
    This.

    Yet another goose-egg from our backcourt when we needed them to step up. As for the defense? Yeah, there were some open shots for the Mavs, but after we gave up the three point play to Damp, Dirk was just lights out. Not much you can do except try to match him point for point, which we didn't do.

    It wasn't just the defense as everyone points out..... our "vaunted" offense took a hike as well in the 4th.

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