Terry is an offensive-minded, shoot first player, who doesn't pass the ball, rebound, or play defense. Sure he's a gifted and, in some situations, clutch scorer - but that's all he does. He doesn't affect the game in any other areas. Also, he doesn't have the highest BBIQ in the world. I've seen him do too many dumb things. Forget the number or seconds on the shot clock, take ill-advised shots, commit dumb-ass fouls. His situational awareness and how to respond in those situations, leaves a lot to be desired. I've even seen occasions where his teammates give him the ol' "wtf" look. His childish, unnecessary, showboating looks real good when the opposition is running the ball back at him the other way. Also, let's not forget Terry's reputation for dirty, below-the-belt", type acts. There's a reason the coaching staffs (past and present) junked the idea of having Terry as a backup PG.
On the other hand, Manu can affect the game in a variety of ways. Besides his scoring binges, he rebounds, passes, plays the point and can defend way better. He's basically the catalyst for the Spurs second unit, though he could easily be a starter on the Spurs, and any other NBA team for that matter. Manu probably commits more turnovers because he takes more gambles and chances. He also gets his share of criticism for flopping. However, these are criticisms of both hustle and commission that I can live with. Even if this comparison were close, Manu's championship pedigree (at all levels) puts him further over the top.
Sorry folks. In my opinion, this comparison unquestionably favors Manu.
Last edited by SenorSpur; 01-09-2010 at 10:08 AM.
3 or 4 years ago everybody would've agreed with you but Many isnt that player anymore.He shows flashes of brilliance but on other occasions(like the 4th quarter last night) he looks ancient.
Its sad to see but his best years are over,on top of that he has become injury-prone.
Yeah, he's not been able to muster up those consistent, dominant performances from game-to-game. He's still the best passer on the Spurs team and even his somewhat reduced state, Manu is able to impact the game in more ways than Terry.
I'll just reiterate:
Manu when he's healthy, Terry when he's not.
Terry > Manu now, but Manu > Terry in their primes.
In their primes, Manu was one of the top players in the world, and this isn't even a discussion. But he has been hurt for too long now, Jet has helped the Mavs a lot more than Manu has helped the Spurs recently.
Ginobili is still way better. This comparison is a bit absurd.
Ginobili is clearly better. Terry is too up and down.
There's better and more fitting arguments to use when saying Manu is better.
Not really. Terry goes from having a 30 point game to a player you want benched as he just plain sucks that day. A horrible slump he already had this year.
I still think Ginobili is better but the gap has closed. In their primes Gino was much better.
No, he's not. No wonder you overrate the Spurs, you think it's still 2005-2007 Manu out there. That would be like saying the Josh Howard currently playing is still the 2006 version.
Manu is injured too much. I'd take Terry because I can count on him. But yeah, in their primes, Ginobili was the much better player.
Both of em are somewhat inconsistent but im more surprised with Manu..If i was the Spurs GM i would look at my options..Manu is not young anymore & you never know how much his previous injuries are affecting his game.
I would do Terry for Manu in a minute. The spurs would laugh at that deal though. I actually think Manu is more valuable to the spurs than Parker.
You'd also take 55 games a year of Harris over 80 of Kidd.
Manu is definitely an injury concern, but health does not dictate who is the better player. It dictates who is the more reliable player health wise. But just going from today's abilities when they play, be it 55 games or 80, Manu is still better right now imo.
Well the health risk is always there. With Harris, you got a chance to go far if he stays healthy. With Kidd, you got no chance of going far with him. I'd take the health risk over that situation. Kidd never attacks the paint. That is my biggest problem with him.
3/4 years? in 2008 he had his best statistical season on the NBA, do the math.
What team would you rather have for the playoffs?
Team A: Kidd-Terry-Howard-Marion-Nowitzki
Team B: Harris-Manu-Howard-Marion-Nowitzki
Kidd-Manu-Howard(Marion)-Dirk-Damp
Hard to say. Will Team B's backcourt be available for the playoffs?
Of course it will and the most probable thing is that it'll improve its play by that time (well at least the SG)
Last edited by DAF86; 01-09-2010 at 05:33 PM.
Manu hands down if he could stay healthy.
Manu is an all-around player while all Terry can do is score...
Really not the best day to make this argument. Manu showed flashes of good to great play last night, but for the most part he looked ancient. I think his +/- was -21
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