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    Funny you should say that. Both of yall are kinda right. Haywood obviously plays D and he would do the same in SA. However the team around him can somethimes make him look better than he is. Andres biedrins put up solid numbers last season with the warriors. However he's the only big guy on the floor which boost his stats. In Denver Marcus Camby would play D well, but his teammates made him look good cause they would allow anyone to get into the lane and then he would block there shots. However in both situations the team defense is horrible. So knock those numbers down abit. Maybe Haywood goes for 6boards and a block a game with the spurs since he would have Duncan playing with him doing exactly the same thing.
    You realize how these two sentences contradict each other right?

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    Haywood help out the spurs tremendously on the defensive end. His numbers would probably fall to 7-7 and two blocks but thats still pretty good considering the spurs have enough scores they don't need him to be an all-star player. The other intangible he is 7ft the spurs haven't had a 7ft center playing next to Duncan since Nazr and Rasho they couldn't desperately use one now to fix up the big hole that is the paint due to playing small ball. Jamison doesn't fix the spur current problem which is defending the paint area.

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    Whatever happens it needs to be done quick to give that player time to adapt to our system and players before the playoffs.

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    Whatever happens it needs to be done quick to give that player time to adapt to our system and players before the playoffs.
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    im sure the Nuggets will be going after Haywood but im not sure what they have to offer

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    Jamison doesn't fill a need other than small ball 4. Haywood theoretically fills a need but I'm curious as to who on the roster now minutes he takes. Blair's?
    If the Spurs got Haywood, I don't think I would have a problem with him taking Blair's minutes...

    You could have Dice coming off the bench, since it seems he plays better coming off of it anyway. And Ratliff is already only used in specialty type roles anyway...

    Blair and Dice sharing any minutes off the bench would probably be limited, but as the season goes on, is there really a guarantee that Pop would have Blair in the game playing important minutes anyway? At least Haywood has playoff experience and can provide the interior presence that the Spurs need.

    The only thing that worries me about getting Haywood is giving up Bonner, he's important to the spacing on the floor, as everyone knows...Obviously if you give up Bonner for him, the only big that can effectively space the floor is Dice...

    It would be interesting to see though.

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    If the Spurs got Haywood, I don't think I would have a problem with him taking Blair's minutes...

    You could have Dice coming off the bench, since it seems he plays better coming off of it anyway. And Ratliff is already only used in specialty type roles anyway...

    Blair and Dice sharing any minutes off the bench would probably be limited, but as the season goes on, is there really a guarantee that Pop would have Blair in the game playing important minutes anyway? At least Haywood has playoff experience and can provide the interior presence that the Spurs need.

    The only thing that worries me about getting Haywood is giving up Bonner, he's important to the spacing on the floor, as everyone knows...Obviously if you give up Bonner for him, the only big that can effectively space the floor is Dice...

    It would be interesting to see though.

    You would stunt Blairs growth so you could give his minutes to haywood??

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    You would stunt Blairs growth so you could give his minutes to haywood??
    Blair still has a long way to go, and as much as I like Blair, Haywood fills a need that can help the Spurs now.

    Blair is signed for the next 2 or 3 years, so he'll still have time to grow to help the team the next few years.

    Like I said, how do any of us know if Blair will be out there when the season picks up and the playoffs roll around? Hill wasn't last year, even though a lot of people thought he should have been.

    And, through all of this, Blair is fun to watch and provides great energy, but he is still a rookie.

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    Right now he'd take Dice's minutes.
    I wouldn't take minutes away from Blair, the kid has a great motor, McDyess would have to be the odd man out.

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    so are there any real implications of us picking up haywood, or is it completely hypothetical as always?

    speculating like this just frustrates me

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    Blair still has a long way to go, and as much as I like Blair, Haywood fills a need that can help the Spurs now.

    Blair is signed for the next 2 or 3 years, so he'll still have time to grow to help the team the next few years.

    Like I said, how do any of us know if Blair will be out there when the season picks up and the playoffs roll around? Hill wasn't last year, even though a lot of people thought he should have been.

    And, through all of this, Blair is fun to watch and provides great energy, but he is still a rookie.
    So what Blair is doing, doesn't fill a need for this team? Sure. How do we know Blair will be around during the playoffs?? Are you serious? Pop is starting the friggin kid now.

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    So what Blair is doing, doesn't fill a need for this team? Sure. How do we know Blair will be around during the playoffs?? Are you serious? Pop is starting the friggin kid now.
    Blair is still foul prone, and look at last night, we needed him to be in the game and he got in foul trouble within the first two minutes.

    And I'm not saying he should have been in and defended Dirk all game and shut him down, that's a tough task for anyone in the league.

    Blair fills a rebounding need, but he has other weaknesses such as his tendency to not be able to stay out on the floor and his shotblocking isn't great.

    Haywood is a fine rebounder and brings better shotblocking and better defense than Blair does right now. And i'm not saying take away ALL of Blair's minutes, just that I don't have a problem with them being limited if this trade does happen.

    As for Pop starting Blair now, did you not watch the playoffs last year when Hill was riding the bench despite his play in the regular season? Not saying that Blair can't get minutes, just that there is no guarantee Blair will get significant minutes in the playoffs.

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    I don't think Pop is going to trust Blair as much as we want in the playoffs..rookie big men generally don't have big roles during the playoffs, especially erratic players like Blair..it's gonna be more about McDyess, Bonner and Ratliff IMO..

    LOL @ portnoy's logic..that dude never fails to disappoint..

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    This is going to be a long year and there is going to be so much speculation leading up until the trade deadline. I honestly have no read on how this season will go and what the F.O. is thinking. This year (with Holt's spending and 2010 approaching) has already been so different than previous years.

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    Right now he'd take Dice's minutes.
    Then why not trade Dice?

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    Why would the Wizards want Dice?..

    They want expirings and a pick or young assets according to reports..NOBODY is going to give up young assets for a rental in Haywood and not many teams are going to want to give up a 1st round pick for a rental, unless they're trying to win THIS SEASON..

    The Spurs can offer expirings to cancel that out and then throw in a 1st round pick..I don't know if the FO would be willing to do it, but I wouldn't think twice about it..

    The only team I can imagine willing to offer a good package would be Portland because of Oden and Pryzbilla going down, they desperately need a C..

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    so are there any real implications of us picking up haywood, or is it completely hypothetical as always?

    speculating like this just frustrates me
    None whatsoever, though it's still early. Either way, I wouldn't get too excited even if the Spurs show up in the rumor mill as a possibility. The reality is that they simply don't have the "sweetners" to go along with the expiring contracts that others have.

    They won't give up Blair or Hill and a late first round pick in 2010 can be one-upped by plenty of other teams.

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    Would yall give up Tiago?

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    2 blocks a double double/per game veteran haywood, standing at 7feet would be excellent

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    we should only do this deal if its lopsided if we cant get the deal done with our exp. contracts and maybe a future first rounder then maybe we shouldnt do it, we are not going to give up tiagos contract that would be retarted. we need him bad!! does anyone know how many first round picks we have this year???????

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    Would yall give up Tiago?
    I don't think I'd be willing to give up Tiago, because even if we don't get Haywood, it's not like the Spurs still can't improve for the rest of the season. McDyess is a self-proclaimed slow starter and is still valuable to the team if he can step it up.

    If Tiago pans out to what we hope he can be, he should be a good compliment to Timmy for the next two years, and hopefully after that he can help keep the Spurs afloat as a contender. Again, I know it's a big if, but it's still possible and the big thing is he is only 25, and Haywood is 30 years old so bringing in Haywood would be for right now.

    With Parker, Hill, Blair, and Tiago being young after Tim is gone (assuming we resign Parker), hopefully that group would be one piece away from being a deep playoff team.

    Would you?

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    Haywood help out the spurs tremendously on the defensive end. His numbers would probably fall to 7-7 and two blocks but thats still pretty good considering the spurs have enough scores they don't need him to be an all-star player. The other intangible he is 7ft the spurs haven't had a 7ft center playing next to Duncan since Nazr and Rasho they couldn't desperately use one now to fix up the big hole that is the paint due to playing small ball. Jamison doesn't fix the spur current problem which is defending the paint area.


    thank you for writing what so many of us our thinking but too lazy to write, and this is why we dont want jamison people, hes an older RJ pretty much but wouldnt buy into playing D like Rj has. im worried about our rebounding when orlando,boston.denver and l.a play us. i know we outrebounded boston our last game, but they didnt have everyone playing

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    Not sure. I guess it would depend on what other offers the Wiz are getting and if the Spurs truly think Tiago will come next season.

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