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mahimini to the thunder for a 2nd rounder? presti was the one that wanted to draft him when he was the assist gm here .
Yes we do, and it's a point not yet mentioned in this discussion so far. Nonetheless while it would change the analysis, the outcome with respect to Ian would stay the same. Here's why:
Applying the Early Bird Exception the Spurs could offer Ian about $1.73M and not hit the luxary tax since that amount is 175% of Ian's last year's salary of $989,670. As you can see that figure is below the value of Ian's option which the Spurs declined (1.8M), so the offer would be legit (the same 1st Round pick rule Bruno indentified also applies to the EBE). Unfortunately, $1.73M may not be enough to resolve the issues already identifed (e.g., teams over paying for bigs).
Where I think the Early Bird Exception will be key is with respect to Roger Mason Jr. next summer. The Spurs will be able to offer RMJ up to $6.6M and get this exception since RMJ's last year salary is $3.78M.
mahimini to the thunder for a 2nd rounder? presti was the one that wanted to draft him when he was the assist gm here .
so we let Ian go, and Splitter doesn't come?
Are you sure about the early bird rights? The difference between qualifying for early bird rather than full bird rights is that a player only had a contract lasting two seasons (like Mason) rather than three. Ian will have been under contract for three seasons when his contract runs out at the end of this season, so why would it be early bird specifically?
If they do have early bird rights, the max they can give Ian is the MLE equivalent with raises for up to five seasons. That would be more than enough.
That could kill though. If Ian turns out to be good that could be the final piece the Thunder need (along with experience) to be a really killer team.
He's a UFA, yes, as we didn't pay for his extension (ie the Spurs have no formal opportunity to match an offer he signs). Why don't the Spurs have bird rights (the right to pay him as an exception to the salary cap); they have been paying him for 3 years (which is when Bird rights kick in)?
Reason to trade Mahinmi?
He sucks. And 1 good game every 2 years doesn't change that.
Last edited by PDXSpursFan; 01-11-2010 at 02:47 PM.
If you read a bit farther down, Bruno explained that by not picking up the option, the Spurs lost the Bird rights. Some posters say the Spurs still have his early Bird rights, I have no idea about that.
Not the same thing; the rule he sites says they can't pay him more than the value of what his 4th year would have been. However, they can still use the bird exception to pay that money, even if they are above the salary cap (which they assuredly will be). Bird rights would mean that a salary for Ian, for up to that value of 1.8 million could be paid, without impacting either the LLE or MLE funds for the 2010 offseason.
Not sure why everyone automatically assumes this was a showcase game. Pop has been known to do some crazy line-up changes...Ratliff starts one day and gets like 5 DNPs in a row afterwards, Timmy sitting on the bench @ Tor, etc. It could very well have been a showcase game but it also might have simply been Pop mixing things up after the frustrating 4th quarter vs the Mavs.
Finley + Mahinmi = (Rudy Gay) or (Thabo Sefalosha).
That's the only way it makes sense. The Spurs have already committed toward exceeding the salary cap this season. They have expiring contracts in Bonner, Finley and Mason.
Personally, I agree with VI and others who are against the Spurs giving up on this kid. In fact, given the relative age and shaky health of the current frontline, it's would absolutely assinine for the Spurs to simply give up on him. Ratliff could be gone next year. Dice has a limited shelf-life and I don't wanna hear anything about Splitter because his arrival is far from certain. Ian is here, he's been here and knows the system. All he needs is time, continued good health, and some faith by the damn fools that drafted him.
As I've said before, 23 year-old, talented, athletic bigs are not growing on trees, nor are they falling out of the sky. The Spurs now have some evidence that there is something there and they would be Big Fools to turn this kid loose for some other team benefit.
From my reading of http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q19, it looks like the Spurs do have Ian's Early Bird rights but that only allows them to sign him for 175% of his salary the previous season or the average player salary, whichever is greater. The average player salary for this year is $5.854 million. 175% of Ian's salary this year is 1,889,370. What I'm wondering is if they are limited to signing him to 1.88 OR the average or anything in between. Also, with early bird rights the deal has to be between 2 and 5 years in length.
I wouldn't be against SA resigning him, but I'd also wouldn't mind if we used him in netting a more playoff-ready big man, because frankly our championship window is closing more every season. I like the idea of talking it up with Presti in Oklahoma - if there was some way we could land one of Nick Collison (6.2 million) or Nenad Krstic (5.4 million) for Ian, Bonner, or whatever else that would be awesome, but I can't think of any reason OKC would part with either of 'em. Collison seems like more of a bruiser and Krstic is more of an offensive player, but both of them could be starting a C for us.
Yes, but keep reading the rules. You will see that the same limitation that applies to 1st Rounders with respect to the Bird Exception also applies to the Early Bird Exception. The most Ian can get is the value of the option the Spurs rejected earlier this season.
Basically the rules are set up to temper the potential for abuse, namley, to prevent teams from declining a player option "in order to get around the salary scale and give the player more money."
If through the course of the rest of the season he proves he can play significant minutes and is worth the money for a big man then you pay him.
If it costs the Spurs more money because the Spurs made a mistake then so be it. The worse thing you can do is make a mistake on this guy twice and he turns into a stud.
Just trade him to Houston so he can be with management that knows how to use undervalued players.
Hmm... I was under the impression that this was Ian's second year. If this is his third year, then the Spurs should possess Ian's Bird's right subject to the limitation on 1st Rounder whose teams did not exercise their team option.
what if next years Bigs are Duncan Mahinmi, Blair and Splitter should we trade Ian then or just run with that. Dyess maybe return but that's about it, Haislip will most likely be back overseas cause he can't get minutes with an injured Bonner down and Ratliff and Ian bench, SMH
If there was a game for Pop to play Mahinmi just to see what he could do, it would be a home game against a bottom dweller. The only question is, why did it take so long? I think Pop is looking for a spark wherever he can find it.
I agree. The team has had a lack of energy from everybody, even lair. Ian got excited and the team fed off of it, particularly Manu. On a side note it was so nice to see the oppossing player alter his shot (shooting rainbows) when driving to the hoop. Interior shot blocking D allows the perimter D to crowd the shooters and eveybody plays better. It may not last, but it was nice to see.
I also think Pop was afraid of a let down against a crap team. If you put a hungry player out there with much to prove individually (including his summer FA worth!) their is a good chance the team will have the appropriate energy level.
...and that interior shotblocking something that has been lacking for some time. As we know, Duncan has been toting the frontcourt defensive load for some time. Having another player who has the length and physical talent to provide support in those areas is a definite plus.
Yea that's all we've been playing the first half of the season so why did it take this long. Especially after Bonner went down. Why lose a Big and then shorten the Big rotation by not playing Haislip or Mahinmi, that's why they are SUPPOSED to be on your bench, right?
Good lawd, that's blasphemy to all the Bonner advocate who would rather have a pitiful Horry clone. No one wants shot blocking next to Tim but you and I. Bonner for LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I see that but the Early Bird limitation is for a player who "just completed the second year of his rookie scale contract, but his team did not exercise their option to extend the contract for the third season". Ian fits the regular Bird Exception, because at the end of the year (when he'll be re-signed or sign with a new team) he will have been a player who just completed the third year of his rookie contract but the team declined the fourth year exception. As I read it, he doesn't fit in the early bird limitation.
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