Thanks for the info tlong, I didn't know that. Couple guys told me he went to osu and I never bothered to check.
Anyway, if we got del Rio and the group mentioned along with mckay...wow!
I don't like Del Rio, but it isn't my choice. I wouldn't be surprised if it were to be one of Carroll's former disciples, but theni wouldn't be surprised if it were some big name. I guess we won't know for a while...I don't want a spread offense now that I think about it...
It would be funny if Nick Saban went to SC. Not that it would happen, but his reputation as a bailer would make it not completely shocking despite just winning a le. He'd actually be the type who could succeed Carroll well since he has the personality for the job and is one of the best recruiters as well. Of course it won't happen though.
I'd like to avoid the spread as well.
I think Nick Saban, for the most part, has found his Nirvana. I don't think he'll leave Alabama unless it'll be an upward move again. However, we all saw what happened to him in Miami and I don't think his ego (nor reputation) would allow him to fail like that again. I wouldn't, however, be surprised if he does bail once more, but to where? I think he feels most successful in the South, so he'd probably take over Tennessee if Lane Kiffin bolts to take over USC...no, not South Carolina...
Ummmmm.......how is going to Tennessee an upgrade from Alabama?
It was a sarcastic remark...
............. OK, ya got me. I was gonna say.
Scratch Jack Del Rio. In addition to SI, ESPN also reported he will remain with the Jags.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ays/index.html
Adam Schefter of ESPN mentioned that Steve Mariucci is now in the mix.
Right. But what I don't understand, is timing. Why was USC in such a hurry, when they knew Del Rio would be leaving 15 million on the table! That wasn't smart...wait to see if he'll get fired or whatever will make the change possible. USC is as good as any job in the country, but we are allowing ourselves to be treated as if it isn't. I'm not surprised Riley and whatever Pac 10 coaches turned it down (sark), beating USC is their main focus and there's a certain measure of resentment to boot.
The spot needs to be filled quickly, but not at the expense of a quality coach.
...though, I hope its over soon.
Was. I won't just randomly bash USC without reason. But you can all but guarantee that there are NCAA sanctions on the way and other PR nightmares for the next head coach to have to deal with. You already have several possible de-commits.
The USC job still has a lot of glamor and appeal but you'd be kidding yourself to think it's as good as any job in the country with the cir stances it's going through right now and likely in the near future. Right now, several SEC head coaching spots would be better jobs if they were open. If it were between Florida and USC, I think most top coaching candidates would choose Florida.
Because of what may be on the horizon for SC, it's not as good as any job in the country at the moment. It's not. Without the possible trouble, it absolutely is, perhaps the best job in the country. With the possible trouble, it just ain't.
Well, that's one coach I didn't want to see leading USC onto the field off the list. While I think the talk of possible sanctions is not without merit, I wouldn't quite call it a done deal. All you're hearing is the same old..."Wait, it's coming...I promise rhetoric." Yet, year after year nothing substantial docks the Trojan football program. However, I have a feeling that if USC falls back to mediocrity next year and doesn't have the spotlight, you'll more than likely cease to hear it being an issue.
Very well put and I agree with you that the NCAA is probably not going to bring the hammer down on USC as hard as many would hope (if at all). However, regardless if these sanctions come to fruition, there's no denying that this situation is the reason Carroll left and why many aren't lining up for this job. I think there are a lot of "feelers" out there and many are trying to size up what they may be in for. It's difficult for me to comprehend that there aren't any "sexy" names in the mix for this job (at least those that are publicly mentioned) and I have to believe it's because trouble is lurking around the corner or coaches simply don't want to wait around until USC realizes its' fate. Time is money.
The NCAA almost always takes years to complete their investigations. A long passage of time does not equal no sanctions
Nor does it equal sanctions. If you look at the Alabama sanctions dealing with Antonio Langham (he was found to have signed with an agent before completion of his time playing for the Crimson Tide), the team was forced to forfeit games in which he played (1993) by the completion of their bowl game in 1994. Even the recruiting violations from Alabama were punished within a 3-year span. What about that school's textbook scandal? That was meted out with punishment within a year. While not a sanction per se, it really does seem to matter how long sanctions do take based on the belief that if you don't have a strong enough case, you take longer to come forth.
While I'm not entirely saying there won't be sanctions, I'm just curious as to why are they taking in excess of 6 years to level them? I mean in the Bush situation--which will be the biggest of the allegations if proven...if it is a solid case why hasn't anything ever been progressed? However, whatever the case may be--the program will be under even more tighter scrutiny whomever takes over the reigns.
Maybe you can compare this situation to Kentucky's basketball program when Eddie Sutton left with those NCAA violations. Kentucky was able to get Rick Pitino, but they also had to go through two seasons banned from post season play and a three year probation. Pitino was able to bring Kentucky back to prominence though. A big name coach who is up for the job has to be prepared for tough times for the first few seasons at least, and possibly more if problems hurt recruiting for several years. It doesn't mean USC can't find a great coach. But, they have to find one who is willing to go through that.
Mariucci was an interesting name to hear. He kind of strikes me as having the personality to do well in the college game, since a big part of it is recruiting and being a salesman to potential recruits and their families. Mariucci has the look and charismatic personality to do that well. And, Mariucci can flash his NFL experience to convince kids he can help them get to the NFL. That's a huge recruiting sales pitch. For college, if you can win the recruiting war, you're automatically going to be in position to be one of the better programs in the country. That's why Pete Carroll was so great.
Also true. All this really boils down to is that nobody knows, leaving us to speculate.
When Auburn got hit hard in 93' it took about two years for the NCAA process to play out. Over about 15 grand in improper payments and loans paid over the years 89-91, Auburn got hit with a two year bowl ban and a one year postseason ban. They also lost 13 scholarships over a 4 year period.
The Tigers responded to the sanctions in 93' by going undefeated that year and not losing until november 94'.
My point is that USC is in a much better position to weather the NCAA storm than Auburn or even Alabama was when they got hit. With the stockpiled talent, the next 3 or 4 years shouldn't be a problem, at least talent-wise. A solid choice as the HC will enable SC to endure whatever the NCAA throws at it. My guess is that the Trojans will come out okay regardless of the sanctions.
Very true, Symple...
However reading all these recruits hesitating to sign with us is troubling. Also, no coach is jumping at the bit to come to Heritage Hall. It is enough to make this alum feel a little uneasy. I mean, why am I contributing all this money to support a university if they don't give me a winning football team!! ! !!!. lol
I hear ya man, but you still picked up that 4* CB from Corona during the Army HS all-star game, Demetrius Wright. The class is small but loaded with 4 and 5 star kids who are holding to their commitments. I think it was going to be a smallish class all along, so other than Jeffcoat and that decommit (Prater) from Illinois I think you guys are still in good shape, considering the cir stances.
All any prospective coach needs to do is look at how good it can be on the other side of any possible sanctions(if it scares em'). There is no reason the Trojans can't continue to win. None.
I just hope USC does the school and alums such as yourself right by being thorough in it's search. All too often you see schools pull the trigger way too fast. Cough - Cough Notre Dame Cough
It really can take time. From an example I'm more familiar with, Chris Webber and the Ed Martin scandal with the University of Michigan basketball program. Many of the charges occurred in the early 1990s to mid 90s. With Webber specifically, he was at Michigan from 1991-93. Federal indictments didn't happen until 1999. Sanctions (self-imposed) didn't occur until 2002-03. That's almost a 10 year span for all of it to play out.
It can take a long time. There are people that will be unwilling to talk. Investigations that go on for months at a time, then a quiet period, then more investigations. The legal paperwork and NCAA paperwork is also one of the redtape things that take a long, long time to process. The longer the process lasts, it doesn't mean the less likely there will be sanctions.
Yes, I remember that situation, too...
Different situation doesn't equate continuity--especially for the NCAA...
We'll all have the answers and whether or not something happens, well, that'll still need to happen.
But also there are sanctions that come to light in programs that shine to only go by the wayside. To punish USC would be to drive away quite a monetary gain that has been a legacy of Pete Carroll's stay here. ABC, ESPN, the NCAA have all been aided in the success of USC and the attention it has garnered for the PAC-10. To cripple the West Coast's premiere (reborn) college program in football, would be detrimental.
I don't have much faith in Mike Garrett. As much as he is a hero to USC's past, he lucked out with Pete Carroll. I really don't have much hope for the right guy and that may change with time. It's hard to go from a guy who has lost a total of 19 games in almost 10 years! 2 (1 1/2 if you're anywhere outside of L.A.) NCs, 3 Heisman winners, and a restored pride in alot of people who were disappointed by the direction of this heralded program.
I don't care what anyone says. USC fans, if they're legit, are on par to anyone else in the country. Man, I am disappointed we're losing out on Jeffcoat and Prater though...that hurts.
What that program has achieved is amazing. I've had a healthy respect ever since the Trojans waltzed into Jordan-Hare and shut out Auburn like it wasn't . Carroll was always willing to go out and play the tough OOC games, which deserves even more respect. I remember the pre-Carroll era at USC, and if I recall properly, there wasn't much to be happy about in the years between Robinson and Carroll.
I always find it interesting how a vast majority of USC fans are cool, knowledgeable, sports fans. When you compare them to other LA sports teams (Lakers especially, and to a lesser degree the Dodgers) it's a striking difference. Living up here in Nor-Cal, I run into a lot of SC grads and they're almost invariably cool people (in my experience). I had friends who were attending Auburn in 03' when you guys whooped us, and they said the same thing about SC fans who were travelling with the team.I don't care what anyone says. USC fans, if they're legit, are on par to anyone else in the country
Prater, to my knowledge, isn't a complete loss yet. He's just going to take some time and see what happens. A good coaching choice may save him.Man, I am disappointed we're losing out on Jeffcoat and Prater though...that hurts.
Jeffcoat is probably a loss though.
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