The Spurs do this every season

[Allanon]

I disagree entirely on this point. I think that if you look at the roster on paper, you could say that.

We're not disagreeing

The Spurs are under-achieving, but it is understandable given the points you listed.

But I don't use excuses (injuries, refs, new players, etc) so I just say "the Spurs are under-achieving" without qualifying it.

Just like I say "the Lakers suck", and I don't say "Lakers suck but Kobe has a broken finger, spasms, no Pau, no Luke, Artest concussion, etc".

[ElNono]

We're not disagreeing

The Spurs are under-achieving, but it is understandable given the points you listed.

But I don't use excuses (injuries, refs, etc) so I just say the Spurs are under-achieving without qualifying it.

Well, it's hard for half the guys to meet up in November and pretend they'll be peaking right off the bat. I mean, it's not just unrealistic, it's simply not possible. Lakers had to add just one guy, and basically swapped the same position with Ariza. We have had a bigger mountain to climb.

[TD 21]

Here's the other thing about the Spurs that no one ever mentions: All of their top players can and will play significantly more minutes in the playoffs, so just by virtue of playing their best players more, theoretically they should be better right there. Whereas you look at the Lakers and Jackson routinely runs his top six into the ground, so really (this may sound somewhat foolish considering they're the defending champs); what's their upside? If you're underwhelmed with them as is, then barring a transaction of some kind, internally how can they get better? They are what they are and it's either going to be good enough or it's not, but the Spurs, we don't quite know what their ceiling is. We know chemistry/familiarity wise they should continually get better as the season goes on, but don't undersell the best players playing more in the playoffs as another form of getting better. Technically, every team could say that, but for many teams the uptick in their key players minutes will be minimal (because they play extended minutes already); with the Spurs it likely will be substantial.

[TheMACHINE]

As if you all did any better from 2003-2008. lol... It's only been 2 years since our last Championship. 6 for you guys until 2009. Not sure how you can be so y.

You can't even beat the Blazers. But then again, we can't beat Dallas apparently.

hmmm...i probably wouldnt have used the "its been 2 years since we last had a championship, lakers 2003-2008 sucks" comeback since we DID win it last year. Im sure you coulda came up with something better.

[Allanon]

the Spurs can definitely beat the Lakers in a playoff series.

If the Spurs played the Lakers in the WCF right now, they would beat the Lakers. The Lakers aren't good right now.

But if the Spurs played the Mavs tomorrow in the WCF, they would lose.

[ElNono]

If the Spurs played the Lakers in the WCF right now, they would beat the Lakers. The Lakers aren't good right now.

But if the Spurs played the Mavs tomorrow in the WCF, they would lose.

I'm not sure about this. I don't think we would beat the Lakers or Mavs in a 7 game series right now... it would be close, but I don't think we're quite there yet. We can review this 2 months from now...

[DAF86]

But if the Spurs played the Mavs tomorrow in the WCF, they would lose.

I don't think so, we're 1-2 vs the Mavs this season but...

First game: we beat them by 9 without Tony and Tim.

Second game: We lost in overtime in Dallas without Tony and Manu.

Third game: We lost a 10 points lead in the 4th by allowing 42 points in that quarter (that was a fluke and ain't happening again)

Not to mention that Terry played well this season only in those two victories over the Spurs.

The games that the Spurs and Mavs have played this season don't show that Dallas has an obvious advantage over San Antonio in their personal matchup.

[I_Speak_4_Dallas_Fan]

If the Spurs played the Mavs in a 7 game series tomorrow, they'd get another 4-1 shoved up their old cranky ass.

[Allanon]

I don't think so, we're 1-2 vs the Mavs this season but...

First game: we beat them by 9 without Tony and Tim.

Second game: We lost in overtime in Dallas without Tony and Manu.

Third game: We lost a 10 points lead in the 4th by allowing 42 points in that quarter (that was a fluke and ain't happening again)

Not to mention that Terry played well this season only in those two victories over the Spurs.

The games that the Spurs and Mavs have played this season don't show that Dallas has an obvious advantage over San Antonio in their personal matchup.

JET and JHo have been the difference makers for the Mavs for the last couple of years. And this coincides with Manu/JET and JHo/RJ.

Since Manu and RJ aren't quite there yet, I don't see this matchup changing in favor of the Spurs yet.

[DAF86]

JET and JHo have been the difference makers for the Mavs for the last couple of years. And this coincides with Manu/JET and JHo/RJ.

Since Manu and RJ aren't quite there yet, I don't see this matchup changing in favor of the Spurs yet.

So far this season:

Manu > Terry

Jefferson > Howard

[I_Speak_4_Dallas_Fan]

So far this season:

Manu < Terry

Jefferson < Howard

fify

[ElNono]

JET and JHo have been the difference makers for the Mavs for the last couple of years. And this coincides with Manu/JET and JHo/RJ.

Actually, Manu checks JHo. At least he did last game. And JET played well against us this season, but JHo has been really the torn in the side. He turns into MJ when he plays against us.
Then again, we're nothing like last season. We're still a work in progress, but we have a lot more talent this season. Not just RJ. Dice, Blair. Mason playing well. Duncan has his knees. The defense needs more work and that's what costs us the game last time.

[Cry Havoc]

blair > every mav not named kidd or dirk

ftfy.

[ezau]

If the Spurs played the Lakers in the WCF right now, they would beat the Lakers. The Lakers aren't good right now.

But if the Spurs played the Mavs tomorrow in the WCF, they would lose.

Agreed. That's why the Spurs need to learn how to beat the Mavs because both teams are going to meet one another in the playoffs

[I_Speak_4_Dallas_Fan]

ftfy.

That bum ain't going to save your rec league squad from getting bounced in round 1.

[ezau]

I don't think so, we're 1-2 vs the Mavs this season but...

First game: we beat them by 9 without Tony and Tim.

Second game: We lost in overtime in Dallas without Tony and Manu.

Third game: We lost a 10 points lead in the 4th by allowing 42 points in that quarter (that was a fluke and ain't happening again)

Not to mention that Terry played well this season only in those two victories over the Spurs.

The games that the Spurs and Mavs have played this season don't show that Dallas has an obvious advantage over San Antonio in their personal matchup.

Terry plays like Michael Jordan everytime the Spurs play the Mavs. What the is wrong with that guy?

[Cry Havoc]

That bum ain't going to save your rec league squad from getting bounced in round 1.

Terry's looking good these days.

Btw, when's the last time a Maverick had 20/20?

Not counting Palin's appearance on the news.

[DAF86]

fify

Then why Mavs fans want to trade Terry while Spurs fans want to resign Manu?

And since when 13 pts on 40%, 3.8 rbds and 1.6 assts (Howard stats) are better than 13 pts on 48%, 3.9 rbds and 2.3 assts (RJ stats)?

[Allanon]

So far this season:

Manu > Terry

Not against the Mavs

JET averages 20 points against the Spurs. Sure JET has been sucking in other games.

But Ezau says above, JET looks like Michael Jordan against the Spurs and it's true

[21_Blessings]

the Spurs can definitely beat the Lakers in a playoff series.

- Spurs fan 08, 09, 10

A Congratulations are in order by the way. http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144382

[DAF86]

Not against the Mavs

JET averages 20 points against the Spurs. Sure JET has been sucking in other games.

But one of the guys above said JET looks like Michael Jordan against the Spurs and it's true

Yes, so? that wasn't your point at first.

[Allanon]

Yes, so? that wasn't your point at first.

That IS my point, I don't see how it isn't.

[DAF86]

That IS my point, I don't see how it isn't.

This is what you said.

JET and JHo have been the difference makers for the Mavs for the last couple of years. And this coincides with Manu/JET and JHo/RJ.

Since Manu and RJ aren't quite there yet, I don't see this matchup changing in favor of the Spurs yet.

And to that I replied that Manu and Jefferson had been better than Terry and Josh this season.

[Allanon]

This is what you said.



And to that I replied that Manu and Jefferson had been better than Terry and Josh this season.

Ah, you're talking about the season. I think you misunderstood me. Yes, overall Manu and Jefferson have been better than Terry and JHo.

But I'm talking about just against the Spurs.

[DAF86]

Ah, you're talking about the season. I think you misunderstood me. Yes, overall Manu and Jefferson have been better than Terry and JHo.

But I'm talking about just against the Spurs.

You said that you don't see that matchup changing, I think it will 'cause Manu and Jefferson are playing better and are better players than Terry and Howard.

Besides Howard has been crap against the Spurs this season.